[SPOILER] Pokémon SW/SH thread [SPOILER]

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Spoilers but this is a spoiler thread... So...

Leon just sort of... Fights and wears out "First Form" Eternatus.

 

[Zeifyl]

Spoilers but this is a spoiler thread... So...
Leon just sort of... Fights and wears out "First Form" Eternatus.

Yyyyeah? What of it?

 

[Bobsican]

Can we start discussing on the tiers for Eternatus?

(Current tiers are filler, so don't take them seriously, especially the 5-B one).

 

[NeoZex6399]

I mean, the ****** just woke up, and also, when Leon tries to catch Eternatus (and fails), Eternatus is perfectly fine and ready to face the MC, which is champion level at that point.

 

[NeoZex6399]

@Bob

EE negates any attack in the game, not just passive abilities (I'm not counting the dogs).

 

[Zeifyl]

Not sure what's more broken, from a VS perspective.

E-Eternatus' passive powernull, or doggo's passive powernull.

 

[Bobsican]

@Bob
EE negates any attack in the game, not just passive abilities (I'm not counting the dogs).

EE? Can you explain? I must have missed that one.

 

[NeoZex6399]

EE's active powernull can affect the dogs

 

[Zeifyl]

EE's active powernull can affect the dogs

Good point.

And the doggos passively null EE's passive powernull. Which nulls moves like Disable.

We're on like three or four layers of powernull already.

 

[NeoZex6399]

@Bob

Eternatus: Master Hand Edition

 

[Foxthefox1000]

We already figured this gen would be pretty hax when the "Our attacks seem to pass right through them" for the doggos came out in the leak.

This level of passive powernull plus passive intangibility? They clear all the other legendaries with speed equal I believe.

 

[Zeifyl]

We already figured this gen would be pretty hax when the "Our attacks seem to pass right through them" for the doggos came out in the leak.
This level of passive powernull plus passive intangibility? They clear all the other legendaries with speed equal I believe.

The passive intangibility was because they were illusions.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Yeah, they seem to be mental projections or something.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Was that because Zacian and Zamazenta made those illusions? And could those illusions harm the player's pokémon at all?

 

[Zeifyl]

1. Yes

2. They didn't even try. But they did create a thick fog. And knocked out the player character.

 

[NeoZex6399]

They do not attack the player's pokémon, although they seem capable of affecting the protagonists and creating fog.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

So more like half-baked avatars/clones of themselves they can make kinda like Infinite "illusions". And did they physically knock them out or was that through "unknown means" which is basically, for us, a form of sleep manipulation?

 

[Zeifyl]

All we know is that there was a thick fog. Then, the player woke up, and the thick fog was gone.

 

[NeoZex6399]

"unknown means"

 

[Foxthefox1000]

So illusions that create a thick fog that can induce sleep manipulation, then?

 

[Zeifyl]

I guess?

 

[NeoZex6399]

yep?

 

[Foxthefox1000]

So before you approach them, you gotta hope you resist their ability to make you pass out, and if/when you finally approach them, they passively null your powers.

Doggos are hax indeed.

 

[Zeifyl]

So before you approach them, you gotta hope you resist their ability to make you pass out, and if/when you finally approach them, they passively null your powers.
Doggos are hax indeed.

No, doggos only null powernull.

But they null blanket powernull, that can even null powernull, and basic bodily actions, such as kicking, punching, biting, and making a sound.

 

[Robot972]

No, doggos only null powernull.

But they null blanket powernull, that can even null powernull, and basic bodily actions, such as kicking, punching, biting, and making a sound.

So... Doggos turn people into vegetables confirmed

 

[Foxthefox1000]

As for an Eternatus tier, wasn't it stated it provided energy for Galar and then when it went E-Form it absorbed all the energy in Galar's region which is shown by how it's influence was shown to effect various parts of Galar in those flashing images in space-time?

Country-wide range, however many kilometers that is. And then enough energy to sustain that large country for centuries and absorbing that energy. Can probably see how much energy it'd take to power a country pf Galar's size for a century or find out how much energy is produced in a 100 years from a country of similar size and then attribute that to Eternatus.

Plus you can probably calc the energy behind a storm that spans the Galar region it created.

 

[Zeifyl]

No, doggos only null powernull.

But they null blanket powernull, that can even null powernull, and basic bodily actions, such as kicking, punching, biting, and making a sound.

So... Doggos turn people into vegetables confirmed

No, E-Eternatus does that. Doggos just null his null.

It's basically a requirement to have Higher-D powernull to null the doggos, or your powernull gets passively nulled by them.

 

[NeoZex6399]

EE can also negate abilities/attacks that can manipulate space/time, such as Trick Room.

And Soul Manipulation, like Spirit Break (Òé¢ÒéªÒâ½Òé»Òâ®ÒââÒéÀÒâÑ Soul Crash)

 

[Robot972]

Country-wide range, however many kilometers that is.
If we're comparing Galar to Great Britain, it's over 1000 km roughly

 

[Zeifyl]

EE can also negate abilities/attacks that can manipulate space/time, such as Trick Room.
And Soul Manipulation, like Spirit Break (Òé¢ÒéªÒâ½Òé»Òâ®ÒââÒéÀÒâÑ Soul Crash)

But the real question is... Can he null Thunder McQueen? Get an actual win on him?

 

[NeoZex6399]

I don't think Destiny Bond affects EE.

 

[Zeifyl]

What is Destiny Bond again? Death hax? Fate hax? 'cause if it's a move that can be obtained within Galar, I can, without even testing, say that it does not.

Question is if it will, with the doggos there.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Pretty sure you can't use any move against EE if the dogs aren't there.

 

[Zeifyl]

Pretty sure you can't use any move against EE if the dogs aren't there.

Exactly. So the question is if you can use Destiny Bond on him when they are. And if that will actually work as intended.

 

[Imaginym]

No, doggos only null powernull.

But they null blanket powernull, that can even null powernull, and basic bodily actions, such as kicking, punching, biting, and making a sound.

So... Doggos turn people into vegetables confirmed

No, E-Eternatus does that. Doggos just null his null.
It's basically a requirement to have Higher-D powernull to null the doggos, or your powernull gets passively nulled by them.

Where is it confirmed higher dimensional power Nullification is needed to power nullfy Zacian or Zamazenta?

Destiny Bond's Japanese name translates to Take Along With. Its game descriptions seem very mechanical, & not ideal for our purposes. And in the anime & manga, it's weird.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Destiny_Bond_(move)#In_the_anime

Anime:

Misdreavus's body becomes outlined in purple. After fainting, two swirling purple lights come out of Misdreavus's eyes to the opponent that knocked it out. The opponent becomes surrounded by a purple aura and instantly faints.​

When Qwilfish is about to be attacked, it disappears, then reappears behind the opponent. Qwilfish then rams its body into the back of the opponent.​ Also, isn't Thunder McQueen's stand, Highway to Hell, one that supernaturally causes the same damage/effects inflicted on TMQ to be inflicted on the inflicter as well? Not quite the same as DB, I think.

 

[Zeifyl]

Where is it confirmed higher dimensional power Nullification is needed to power nullfy Zacian or Zamazenta?

You don't actually need it. But you as good as need it.

They passively power null power null that passively power nulls power null (try saying that five times fast).

It's like some SMT scaling chain, except with power null instead of res/res neg.

 

[NeoZex6399]

It seems more like Counter (?)

 

[NeoZex6399]

Now I wonder... can the player use healing items in the pokémon if the dogs are not present?

 

[Foxthefox1000]

I did the math using something even of New Jersey's size and the energy produced in the year 2002 and then multiplying it by 100 (which is a lowball as energy valies have probably increased) and I got 7-A, maybe High 7-A (forget what the values for that are).

Can someone reaffirm that Eternatus was said to have produced energy for Galar that have lasted the region for centuries? Thought I remember hearing that.

 

[NeoZex6399]

I've read something about Eternatus almost destroying the region in the past, but I'm not sure.