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Yeahhhh this is likely a skill stomp then. Should probably be closed.XSOULOFCINDERX said:
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Spiderman vs Geralt of Rivia
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Not quite skill stomp. The AP difference means Geralt has time to pull something off and he still has his sigils. And he's still rather skilled, even if I would be tempted to agree that I think Spidey is more skilled than him.
Only way Spidey is taking him out in short order is abusing pressure points, which I don't believe is something he goes for straight away.
Only way Spidey is taking him out in short order is abusing pressure points, which I don't believe is something he goes for straight away.
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Exactly. But Peter has the experience and intelligence to plan shit out, not to mention Spider Sense slowing his perception down and even letting him see what scenarios are good and bad for him, so he has the advantage when it comes to approaching the situation.
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IMO Geralt has wincons if he doubles down on spam and keeping his Quen up, I don't think it's a stomp personally
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Well this was a fun debate to read
Petey for Zark's reasons
Petey for Zark's reasons
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Geralt can also make a lesser quen which still does the same job with only expection being that geralt can also be attacking at the same time
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I mean it was made extremely clear that Geralt didn't just constantly have his quen up, only against unexpected attacks, and thus that point is already addressed
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You're missing my pointZark2099 said:
There are two types of quen:
The Bubble Quen, The More durable quen and more lasting one
And the lesser quen, the weaker one that manages to make the user be offensive and defensive at the same time
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Isn't the weaker quen the onehit block one mentioned above?
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but it still does the same effect
It reflects 50% of the damage and sets the oppoenents on fire and it's easier for it to explode
It reflects 50% of the damage and sets the oppoenents on fire and it's easier for it to explode
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Webs aren't damage, and explosions, cool, Spider-Man has that too, which do scale above himself considerably
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Skills >>> Quen + Yrden.
Noice.
Noice.
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Skills + Precog + Perception Manip + Afterimage + Info Analysis + Webs which will throw back anything throw + Ice Manip + Explosion Manipulation + AP + Resists to Geralt's abilities >>> A shield + some sort of net which you didn't explain and just expect us to know what that is since literally no one else brought it up
Noice indeed, simplifying much to mislead votes?
Noice indeed, simplifying much to mislead votes?
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Isn't Yrden the magic trap?
I'm not really voting one way or the other, but there is actually basis in mentioning Yrden here. Yrden can be nearly instantaneously set up right where an opponent is standing, and it massively slows down the opponent to the point that they can't even hope to dodge Geralt's attacks or hit him in return.
A lot of Spidey's best stuff mainly helps in evasive manoeuvres or catching Geralt off guard, like precog (which you've mentioned on past occasions is infamously inconsistent), afterimages, and info analysis. If Geralt manages to trap Spidey in Yrden, which is entirely feasible and reasonable in-character, a lot of Spidey's advantages are off the table.
Also, Spidey doesn't have the AP advantage, does he? Geralt does, from what's been mentioned in the thread so far, and Geralt can massively bolster his AP in many ways.
Again, don't really think I'm voting one way or the other yet. But he does have a point with Yrden being a factor, and Spidey doesn't have many extreme advantages.
I'm not really voting one way or the other, but there is actually basis in mentioning Yrden here. Yrden can be nearly instantaneously set up right where an opponent is standing, and it massively slows down the opponent to the point that they can't even hope to dodge Geralt's attacks or hit him in return.
A lot of Spidey's best stuff mainly helps in evasive manoeuvres or catching Geralt off guard, like precog (which you've mentioned on past occasions is infamously inconsistent), afterimages, and info analysis. If Geralt manages to trap Spidey in Yrden, which is entirely feasible and reasonable in-character, a lot of Spidey's advantages are off the table.
Also, Spidey doesn't have the AP advantage, does he? Geralt does, from what's been mentioned in the thread so far, and Geralt can massively bolster his AP in many ways.
Again, don't really think I'm voting one way or the other yet. But he does have a point with Yrden being a factor, and Spidey doesn't have many extreme advantages.
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Skills are not enough high to be considered a good advantage. Precog is hugely inconsistent and doesn't work how someone is trying to implying here, at all. Webs are not an advantage here as it was explained many times here. Yrden is a huge advantage, Quen, which have two different forms and reflection attack is a huge advantage. Potions can increase Geralt's AP, his durability/healing factor, like swallow potion, is an advantage. Even without potions, Geralt from B&W have more or less the same Peter's AP, with potions Geralt is even more powerful, Euphoria make him 3x times stronger, but still, it wasn't even mention in this topic. Yrden can slow down and can harm an enemy, and Peter can't do nothing about that, but, still, it wasn't mention at all in this discussion.
Still, for me, Geralt win this 6 or 7/10
Still, for me, Geralt win this 6 or 7/10
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Again, wasn't even mention Somne, which can put Peter to sleep with just a touch, or one of the most useful potion of Geralt have, which is Blizzard potion
Blizzard is one of the most powerful witchers' potions; it improves reflexes and reaction time, allowing a witcher to better parry and evade attacks. It slows down time, making Geralt's movement and everything else slower. It is most helpful against groups of enemies and monsters that move fast or teleport, such as wraiths and various types of vampires.
But again, no one mentioned Blizzard potion here.
Blizzard is one of the most powerful witchers' potions; it improves reflexes and reaction time, allowing a witcher to better parry and evade attacks. It slows down time, making Geralt's movement and everything else slower. It is most helpful against groups of enemies and monsters that move fast or teleport, such as wraiths and various types of vampires.
But again, no one mentioned Blizzard potion here.
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I'm astonished how someone like KLOL506 which I thought he had a good knowledge about Geralt didn't mention anything of these things here.
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Skills are high enough to be considered an advantage in fact,Geralt literally has no experience in melee right now. "Precog is inconsistent", robbing context, it is inconsistent in scenarios where Spider-Man doesn't assume there to be danger, i.e. surprise attacks and melee brawls, it's never inconsistent in a range context or when Spider-Man specifically knows he has to be evasive. Webs are not even a point but you keep bringing it up. Spider-Man can foresee Yrden with his precognition alongside that so again, unless it's a massive area Yrden occupies he's not getting hit.
Potions may make him more powerful but it's still downright irrelevant considering Spider-Man is literally comparable in melee to a guy who can solo divine ARMIES.
Spider-Man has the base AP advantage thanks to Mk. 4 which is straight up being ignored in arguments, he is evasive but he's varied enough to be more than enough competent in direct brawls as Way of the Spider covers.
Again literally, why does he not see Yrden with his precog? This guy can sense landmines going boom a minute before it happens.
Potions may make him more powerful but it's still downright irrelevant considering Spider-Man is literally comparable in melee to a guy who can solo divine ARMIES.
Spider-Man has the base AP advantage thanks to Mk. 4 which is straight up being ignored in arguments, he is evasive but he's varied enough to be more than enough competent in direct brawls as Way of the Spider covers.
Again literally, why does he not see Yrden with his precog? This guy can sense landmines going boom a minute before it happens.
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How can Peter win if Geralt can easily use a deadly combination of: Euphoria+blizzard potion+Quen and/or Yrden? The right answer is: he can't.
That's what mean to have extreme advantages.
That's what mean to have extreme advantages.
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How can Geralt win if Peter webs before he can put up his shield, cover the distance in a second with supersonic speed, rip his ******* face off before he can react with the Mark of Kaine and never gets hit once due to his Spider-Sense? The answer is: he can't
I can make hypothetical bloodlusted scenarios too, y'know
I can make hypothetical bloodlusted scenarios too, y'know
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It's not bloodlusted scenario, it's just Geralt's advantages that no one mentioned until now. Anyway, nonsense, they're both MHS+ characters, and Geralt can shield himself in less than a second. It's Spider-Man not Barry Allen. Really poor debate.
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Like how you forget to mention that Spider-Man can dodge entire hives of criminals shooting submachine guns at him? Also not nonsense, speed of webs isn't Equalized, and guess what? He has massive mobility *gasp* webslinging. Supersonic gets there in less than a second mate.
"It's Spider-Man not Barry Allen" this completely proves to me you don't know a damn thing about the character lol, so you're telling me the most famous evasive combatant who speed blitzes his opponents, doesn't speed blitz? Great, mate.
Poorer debates by you dude, you keep repeating addressed points and belittle my arguments
"It's Spider-Man not Barry Allen" this completely proves to me you don't know a damn thing about the character lol, so you're telling me the most famous evasive combatant who speed blitzes his opponents, doesn't speed blitz? Great, mate.
Poorer debates by you dude, you keep repeating addressed points and belittle my arguments
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@Grath Using Mark of Kaine against objects is entirely in character for Parker, so is webbing, closing distance, and keeping his Spider-Sense on during closing a vast gap. And this information is contradicted above by Shadow saying he doesn't keep Quen up unless it's an unusual attack
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Again, Geralt have the real edge here. Euphoria (which can even increase Signs intensity)+blizzard potion (can slow down time)+a smart use of Quen and Yrden. Those are real advantages, which Peter can't do nothing about it, unlike Geralt that can nullify in different ways Peter's webs.
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Actually, blizzard potion is even a good answer if someone want to imply that precog could be a good factor here. So, Geralt have more countermeasures than Peter, and this is a fact.
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Every scenario of a hand to hand combat is out of question. If Geralt is getting a hard time, he will use Aard and Peter will be sent flying. Aard also freezes with Piercing Cold.
How can Geralt win if Peter webs before he can put up his shield
Peter would never be able to do something before Geralt. He will be able to hear Peter, every movement, heart beating, breathing etc. This isn't the first time Geralt is dealing with webs, he has faced a good amount of enemies who can shoot webs to make him immobile.
cover the distance in a second with supersonic speed, rip his ******* face off before he can react with the Mark of Kaine and never gets hit once due to his Spider-Sense? The answer is: he can't
OP said speed is equal. Every speed is equal, not only combat or reaction. Geralt will be able to react to Peter, easily. He is constantly fighting against enemies who can fly, spam teleport and appears behind him (Eredin, Caranthir and Imlerith). React to a rush like that given what I said will be easy.
>Imagine trying to ripping off Geralt's skin
No. If Peter tries to do this, he loses his arm with a single sword movement, get sent flying meters away with Aard and gets frozen, Peter doesn't resist Ice Manipulation.
Spider Sense isn't usable everytime Peter wants. This isn't an argument.
Peter is dealing with someone who has almost a centure of experience, AP advantage and such. Peter should be more skilled in a hand to hand combat, but Geralt will not fight with his fist, he will use a sword.
Fighting with a sword is far different from fighting wituout one. As the OP said, Geralt has all his equipment. Aerodight is one of this equipment. With each hit with the sword, its damage increases. Adding this together with Whirl, an area attack, Peter will not be able to get close to Geralt without losing a member of his body.
I am voting Geralt for my own reasons
How can Geralt win if Peter webs before he can put up his shield
Peter would never be able to do something before Geralt. He will be able to hear Peter, every movement, heart beating, breathing etc. This isn't the first time Geralt is dealing with webs, he has faced a good amount of enemies who can shoot webs to make him immobile.
cover the distance in a second with supersonic speed, rip his ******* face off before he can react with the Mark of Kaine and never gets hit once due to his Spider-Sense? The answer is: he can't
OP said speed is equal. Every speed is equal, not only combat or reaction. Geralt will be able to react to Peter, easily. He is constantly fighting against enemies who can fly, spam teleport and appears behind him (Eredin, Caranthir and Imlerith). React to a rush like that given what I said will be easy.
>Imagine trying to ripping off Geralt's skin
No. If Peter tries to do this, he loses his arm with a single sword movement, get sent flying meters away with Aard and gets frozen, Peter doesn't resist Ice Manipulation.
Spider Sense isn't usable everytime Peter wants. This isn't an argument.
Peter is dealing with someone who has almost a centure of experience, AP advantage and such. Peter should be more skilled in a hand to hand combat, but Geralt will not fight with his fist, he will use a sword.
Fighting with a sword is far different from fighting wituout one. As the OP said, Geralt has all his equipment. Aerodight is one of this equipment. With each hit with the sword, its damage increases. Adding this together with Whirl, an area attack, Peter will not be able to get close to Geralt without losing a member of his body.
I am voting Geralt for my own reasons
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That said, I give this to Spider-Man.
Spider-Sense and it's many simultaneous advantages that it gives Peter in combat (Perception Manip, telling him what to do and not to do in this fight, 360┬░ awareness to his surroundings, etc) hard-counters nearly anything that Geralt can as far as I see. Not to mention Spider-Man's far superior skill and tactics within combat.
The Mark IV armor is the cherry on top. Increased strength + durability far above his normal peak, electrical defenses that give a shock that temporarily lobotomizes people, and Info Analysis are the main things I see as useful in this fight, but there's absolutely utilization for everything else if an opportunity arises and Spider-Man takes it.
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In all seriousness, how does Geralt get past the precog? Like, ever? You mention "This potion that potion" but never explain them. Spider-Man can literally camp them out, that's the answer, he can create entire barriers to shield himself from hits.
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Sorry buddy, but you're talking about a Marvel character here OvO. Jokes aside, no, Geralt being an expert swordsman changes little to nothing about this encounter. Try being in a room of people filled with submachine guns at you, then we can talk.M3X said:
Geralt swings his sword, Spider-Man dodges, and then proceeds to rip the sword out of his hands because of superior Lifting Strength, and proceeds to pummel him. Being good with a sword doesn't mean anything when you're fighting somebody with a sixth sense working in five different ways at once and having comparable skill to people who are far more impressive than Geralt.
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