Sonic vs Goku

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

@GarrixianDude100193

what the ****

 

[00potato]

Oof.
Yeah SSJ gg, that should apply to speed too, anyway so ironically he does blitz and one shot.

 

[elhermanopadre]

i'm pretty sure , god fusion goku and broly might be canon or scales to the games , if yes that could update characters who scale to them to HIGH BOUNDLESS LEVELS.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Goku wasn't stated to start at a particular state, meaning by SBA he'll be in his strongest, a.k.a SSJ4 limit breaker form.

Also Goku can't one shot since Sonic will just come back and hax him

 

[00potato]

Oh, he loses by SBA, ironically our rules make him technically stronger in base then in his best form.
He would blitz and one shot if he started in base because the speed gap is also there. He would knock him out before he could counter.

 

[Zencha9]

HIGH BOUNDLESS level

HIGH BOUNDLESS LEVELS.

new tier Pog

 

[elhermanopadre]

HIGH BOUNDLESS level

new tier Pog

YEP

 

[TheGatememer]

I don't recall this being a CRT.
Anyways:

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

lol fatehax gg close this

 

[00potato]

Wait, since this is transformed Goku doesn’t he still one shot? Sonic either gets incapped or dies in one shot. If he comes back wouldn’t he just get incapped since Goku would know not to kill him? Sonic cannot physically hurt him and has to rely on hax.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Sonic was not above goku's ap due to the great harmony, where Billions of emeralds merged and became more powerful Super sonic?

 

[TheGatememer]

No, because fatehax. He also has various stuff that ignores durability, and resistance negation.

 

[00potato]

Fatehax doesn’t prevent incap, at all. So yeah he still has that advantage.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The great harmony makes Super Sonic's AP much higher than anything in DB

Also you probably forgot Super Sonic has invulnerability

 

[TheGatememer]

Sonic's does, his fate hax essentially works to ensure his victory.

 

[elhermanopadre]

The great harmony makes Super Sonic's AP much higher than anything in DB

Also you probably forgot Super Sonic has invulnerability

It doesn't not even close , db can be argued to be outerversal or boundless while sonic is only in the complex-multi ranges , he's fodder and would likely get one shotted , if xeno goku has hakai he would overpower fate and the fight would be over and ssj4 does have reactive evolution which would help.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Hakai can't negate fatehax. Also his fatehax prevents him from dying so hakai is moot. Also no matter how strong Goku is, Sonic will come back from being killed even if Goku can kill him (and he can't since Sonic has higher AP, resists everything Goku can throw at him, has invulnerability and literally has fate on his side)

 

[elhermanopadre]

Hakai can't negate fatehax. Also his fatehax prevents him from dying so hakai is moot. Also no matter how strong Goku is, Sonic will come back from being killed even if Goku can kill him (and he can't since Sonic has higher AP, resists everything Goku can throw at him, has invulnerability and literally has fate on his side)

How does he have greater AP , sonic is only in the complex multi ranges and low-hyperversal at most , while the db games and 4d movie , can be argued to be outeversal+ to high boundless level , so no sonic is still fodder. Since ssj4 as reactive evolution , and hakai is ap based , idk why it wouldn't work , and he simply blitz and ones shots and repeat over and over again and maybe find a solution if it's needed.

 

[UltraChair]

...Can Xeno Goku use Hakai, I know that DBS Manga Goku can, I don't really follow Heroes as much as I do with the other continuities.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Even if he could, it's not even an issue since he'll never use it in character (because we never saw it in DBH)

 

[elhermanopadre]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/super-dbh-abilities-crt.54000/
I think it,s this thread talking about it , so he might be able to use if vegita can.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

How does he have greater AP , sonic is only in the complex multi ranges and low-hyperversal at most , while the db games and 4d movie , can be argued to be outeversal+ to high boundless level , so no sonic is still fodder. Since ssj4 as reactive evolution , and hakai is ap based , idk why it wouldn't work , and he simply blitz and ones shots and repeat over and over again and maybe find a solution if it's needed.

I've seen DB Heroes wank. But I have never seen someone try to wank it to Tier ******* 0.

 

[elhermanopadre]

I've seen DB Heroes wank. But I have never seen someone try to wank it to Tier ******* 0.

its for the 4d movie , if the characters scales to db than yeah boundless+

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

This thread was rejected, meaning this was already discussed before and it didn't pass

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

its for the 4d movie , if the characters scales to db than yeah boundless+

I gotta see proof of this. Also there's no such thing as Boundless plus. You're either Boundless or your not.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

There's literally 0 proof for that wank

 

[UltraChair]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/super-dbh-abilities-crt.54000/
I think it,s this thread talking about it , so he might be able to use if vegita can.

I'm pretty sure using the custom cards as evidence isn't exactly a good idea, since you can make stuff like this happen.

 

[ChocomilkAlex]

Yeah there is no way that

its for the 4d movie , if the characters scales to db than yeah boundless+

If you're trying to scale Heroes Goku to Jump Force Goku, that's a complete fallacy as well. They are clearly in two different canons.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The 4D Movie apperantly using "Real world" people for it means nothing. This is just an example of a fourth wall break.

 

[elhermanopadre]

I gotta see proof of this. Also there's no such thing as Boundless plus. You're either Boundless or your not.

They can enter in the real world and at real people , that is solid evidences for boundless+

 

[elhermanopadre]

The 4D Movie apperantly using "Real world" people for it means nothing. This is just an example of a fourth wall break.

Or example of boundless tier , they arent bound by fiction anyone , so that is boundless+ And are you trying to say that the actors arent real people ?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Wait, Pre-Gen Sonic being used?

Also Tier 0 DB is laughable Idk why that’s being discussed

 

[elhermanopadre]

Wait, Pre-Gen Sonic being used?

Also Tier 0 DB is laughable Idk why that’s being discussed

That is your headcanon that it is laughable.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

That is your headcanon that it is laughable.

Ok buddy.

Anyway Fate hax gg FRA

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Yes it's Pre-Gen Sonic here

 

[elhermanopadre]

Ok buddy.

Anyway Fate hax gg FRA

Nop , since xeno goku is stronger , he can incapitate him and obliterate with hakai energy which scales to ap.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I would still say Sonic stomps here but if he doesn't then Sonic FRA

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Nop , since xeno goku is stronger , he can incapitate him and obliterate with hakai energy which scales to ap.

Yeah no. Unless you make a CRT and it gets accepted somehow Goku is still 2-A and Sonic scales much higher in 2-A than Goku does

 

[elhermanopadre]

Yeah no. Unless you make a CRT and it gets accepted somehow Goku is still 2-A and Sonic scales much higher in 2-A than Goku does

wELL, sonic is only 2-a as well , if you say he scales higher so will goku period.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Ignoring the fact that Sonic resists Existence Erasure, Xeno Goku doesn’t have Hakai on his profile.