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What about type 4 Immortality?
If they’re erased conceptually speaking (Type 1 mind you), they’ll won’t be able to reincarnate.
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What about type 4 Immortality?
Bugs’ Regeneration Negation allows him to take normal damage from attacks that would negate his Regeneration. Essentially speaking, he wouldn’t be invincible in that regard cause over time with enough damage, it would be able to kill Bugs. The question is however, can Sonic do so?He can’t negate Type 3 because that would require him to have a Regen negator that would work on Bugs, and he does not.
His Type 8 immortality is also 5-D. If he’s somehow erased forever, the higher-ups in the creation world like Stephen Spielberg, The Animator, etc. can just reanimate him. Since Sonic has no way of putting them down, all that should be moot.
He can just regenerate from that endlessly.Bugs’ Regeneration Negation allows him to take normal damage from attacks that would negate his Regeneration. Essentially speaking, he wouldn’t be invincible in that regard cause over time with enough damage, it would be able to kill Bugs. The question is however, can Sonic do so?
My guy, where are you getting Conceptual Manipulation from Modern Sonic?Wouldn’t that be considered outside help and/or his dimensional manipulation being used here? That is restricted for this matchup. Even so, if he’s erased on a Conceptual Level (Type 1), he wouldn’t be able to be reanimated in this case due to him not having such resistance.
The abilities of gods like being able to mimic lightning bolts, able to replicate mind-control techniques after seeing it once, mimicking magic abilities, mimicking the powers of superheroes (there is a whole class for this in Looniversity), replicating other fictional beings like Beetlejuice, Chernabog's ability to summon the dead, etc. Basically, if he's seen it in a movie or up close once, he can do it.
Toons on his level (or maybe even below?) have shown to do this to Plot Manipulation which controlled the entirety of reality, so I think the assumption is valid.
Can I get links of those character's to see what abilities he copied?
The assumption that they can copy any ability including ones they haven't been shown to copy? If so, I disagree. Though abilities that are extensions of powers they copied maybe if the application isn't super complex or something.
No?Two main issues here. Isn’t that plot manipulation of Bugs’ apart of his Dimensional Manipulation which is restricted here?
Genuinely, what does this mean?If not, due to how Sonic previously resisted Plot Manipulation in Secret Rings and how Bugs’ Dimensional Manipulation is restricted here, how would he even be able to do so against Sonic?
He can just regenerate from that endlessly.
My guy, where are you getting Conceptual Manipulation from Modern Sonic?
And no, this is fine with Madness Combat characters, etc.
So, you admit that you made the match out of spite.I’m just trying to throw in ways to actually kill Bugs Bunny here since he’s constantly treated like a Tier 0 character.
But he is not the one that made the thread.So, you admit that you made the match out of spite.
Same pfp, my mistake.But he is not the one that made the thread.
Bugs’ Regeneration Negation allows him to take normal damage from attacks that would negate his Regeneration. Essentially speaking, he wouldn’t be invincible in that regard cause over time with enough damage, it would be able to kill Bugs. The question is however, can Sonic do so?
What are Sonic's win conditions outside of killing Bugs?
Don't see anyway that Sonic can actually kill him. Should change the wincons to allow Inca.
Probally Sonic can win this.
So, you admit that you made the match out of spite.
I would say that there are some factors that Bugs has that allow him to get a quicker win on Sonic than vice versa.
Don't see anyway that Sonic can actually kill him. Should change the wincons to allow Inca.
Probally Sonic can win this.
I made it because I found out Sonic has resistance to Plot Manipulation. I might just make it Super or Hyper Sonic since I don't think that'll make much of a differenceSo, you admit that you made the match out of spite.
Nah, it's fine. You're not the one at fault. I'm just a tad peeved because I'm a strong advocate for cartoon characters and dealing with the same spite-based arguments has me in a foul mood.I made it because I found out Sonic has resistance to Plot Manipulation. I might just make it Super or Hyper Sonic since I don't think that'll make much of a difference
Honestly I was planning on making this an Inconclusive matchup since Sonic couldn't get around Bugs' immortality and Bugs can't actually damage Sonic in any way or keep up with his speed ampsNah, it's fine. You're not the one at fault. I'm just a tad peeved because I'm a strong advocate for cartoon characters and dealing with the same spite-based arguments has me in a foul mood.
No?
Genuinely, what does this mean?
My argument has nothing to do with that.Within his profile, it lists him being able to manipulate the plot as Dimensional Manipulation since he becomes the animator. Since that is restricted and because Sonic resisted plot manipulation in Sonic and the Secret Rings, wouldn’t Bugs’ plot manipulation not work in this case?
It means that
I personally believe him using his charisma combined with his passive luck combined with perception-messing could grant him the win here and it takes much less time for him to do this/ open with it than Sonic would to activate his wincons. Plus it sounds a lot like how Bugs would actually win the fight in-character, and how he usually deals with his enemies.Honestly I was planning on making this an Inconclusive matchup since Sonic couldn't get around Bugs' immortality and Bugs can't actually damage Sonic in any way or keep up with his speed amps
So if this matchup did reach grace, could it be added or no?I personally believe him using his charisma combined with his passive luck combined with perception-messing could grant him the win here and it takes much less time for him to do this/ open with it than Sonic would to activate his wincons. Plus it sounds a lot like how Bugs would actually win the fight in-character, and how he usually deals with his enemies.
What you mean "besides", Sonic can't kill Bugs.What are Sonic's win conditions outside of killing Bugs?
shrugSo if this matchup did reach grace, could it be added or no?
No, because you restricted his 1-C hax.So if this matchup did reach grace, could it be added or no?
He can just regenerate from that endlessly.
No, because it’s fun & games + the win con is death so Sonic doesn’t have a way to win.So if this matchup did reach grace, could it be added or no?
My argument has nothing to do with that.
You're confusing regeneration with invulnerability. Bugs could regenerate from this, he just doesn't at the current moment because he doesn't see it as a threat right now, as indicated by his shrug.How so? His health didn’t exactly go back up after taking the damage. I figured that if he would regenerate from it, he wouldn’t have taken the damage in the first place. I’m genuinely confused here.
The idea that he has Reactive Evolution, which at it's peak could evolve in response to potent 5-D hax like plot manipulation, but that's a non-factor with Bugs's current wincons anyway.What does it have to do with exactly? I’m confused here as well.
Geez. How can you permanently kill Bugs Bunny other than with Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation?You're confusing regeneration with invulnerability. Bugs could regenerate from this, he just doesn't at the current moment because he doesn't see it as a threat right now, as indicated by his shrug.
Idk what to tell you, he's just That Guy.Geez. How can you permanently kill Bugs Bunny other than with Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation?
Idk what to tell you, he's just That Guy.
Geez. How can you permanently kill Bugs Bunny other than with Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation?
I’m sure Darkseid and The One Above All can put down That Guy permanently.
No.I’m sure Darkseid
Most probally, yeah.The One Above All
No.
Most probally, yeah.