Sonic the Hedgehog Revisions/Downgrades

[FateAlbane]

With that into account and Geothermal being 5-B apparently, I feel like even if unquantifiable, this being High 6-A sounds fair enough both not to overestimate the verse or put it lower than it should, taking all that was said and done into consideration.

Just further explaining why I feel like I can agree with the current rating.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm not caring much about the nature of the energy. I just feel like it's arguing needless semantics at this point when as far as I can look the results of said absorption are shown as comparable if not outright superior to Geothermal absorption, even if it turned out to be some different source of energy.

This. The energy is blatantly High 6-A and the effects it depict are outright superior to Geothermal absorption.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Matt Yes, its a fireball, nothing more and nothing less. Now youre just reaching.

Even in the cutscene you yourself posted, the amusement park is nowhere near the size of the earth. If anything that just proves that the Wisp Planet is small.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Again, STILL waiting for that calc you said you had to prove that its High 6-A

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Matt Yes, its a fireball, nothing more and nothing less. Now youre just reaching.

No, you are just denying, giving no solid argument. It looks identical to a sun, and when it collapses forms what is clearly a black hole. Address that, please.

That cutscene doesn't show that. Look at the real life picture of the moon I gave you, which you ignored. Planets can look bigger or smaller depending on perspective.

And High 6-A is a lowball.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

What proof do you have that its a miniature sun? Being a ball of fire that turns into a vortex hen it explodes doesnt make it a sun.

I didnt ignore it, the amusement park is nowhere near the size of the moon

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

People agreeing with me so far: FateAlbane, Knightofannihilation666, DarkLordMedeus, Arrogant Schmuck, EdwardSuoh, The real cal howard, Blueblur24

I'm certain that if the people who revised sonic in the first place were brought here, they'd side with me too.

Anyway, I'm going to go to bed. I trust you all to keep this thread nice and cozy and peaceful while I'm gone.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What proof do you have that its a miniature sun? Being a ball of fire that turns into a vortex hen it explodes doesnt make it a sun.
I didnt ignore it, the amusement park is nowhere near the size of the moon

It is a miniature sun, you have to be denying everything to ignore that that's the intent behind the attack. Once again, you debate as if blind, going only by the written / spoken statements.

You're right. It's larger, since it literally has a planet attached to it. Multiple. Do you have proof that the Wisp Planet is that small?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So youre not going to answer, cool. Good debating.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I have answered in all of my posts. I've shown cutscenes, statements, explained my reasonings ad-nauseum, showed numerous other feats that show that High 6-A is not only reasonable, but a lowball.

As for the energy, black hole and wisp things, your arguments boils down to "It isn't because I said so. It isn't explictely stated in my face, so it can't ever be realistically deduced to be".

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also even if the amusement park is pluto-sized the explosion is still above High 6-A.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

For the fifth time now. Give me the calc you claim to have.

None of the feats youve shown have proven any of this is High 6-A

No my argument is 'The planets are consistently portrayed as being small, so they must be." If you REALLY want to do this then explain why six full sized planets that close to Earth didnt drag the part into the planet due to gravity?

Yeah, the explosion Sonic was nearly killed by.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

the feat is blatantly High 6-A at least. It doesn't need to be calced.

>Gravity stuff

Explain why half the moon being blown up in Sonic Adventure 2 didn't ruin the seas. Explain why the explosion that devastated Washington and the nearby state in Shadow the Hedgehog had no negative political and economical consequences. Explain why humanity didn't go extinct when Dark Gaia split the planet into many chunks.

Hell, explain why, even at country-sized, the floating planetoids didn't affect Earth with gravity.

Because it's a f*cking toon videogame. It doesn't make all that much sense.

Yes, after he beat the robot powered by the beings who made the explosion in a very hard battle, and ran for his life in a last stage.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So we're allowed to make huge asumptions regarding science in Sonic in some cases but ignore it in others because reasons? Once again it being a cartoonish video game doesnt in any way matter regarding feats.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

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Intent doesnt matter when your argument is nothing other than visual effects. Your argument is going only by assumptions with no backing.

Unless these buildings are mountain-sized, and by extension everything else including sonic and tails are as well and this shot of the amusement park is horribly wrong as it depicts the planets as being either much, much larger than the amusement park or very, VERY small, the amusement park is nowhere near planet-sized

 

[KinkiestSins]

Why is it so taboo that we use science and calcs for our profiles, but discard others because it doesnt make sense? We cant cherry pick things just because imo

 

[WeeklyBattles]

^^^This^^^

 

[EdwardSuoh]

Probably the same reason we don't trust the author when he said Flash was just under light speed even though the feat showed him being trillions of times the speed of light. They're writers, not scientists. They allow impossible things to happen.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Edward Then why should we assume the writers took the planet's geothermal energy into account when not only was there no statement, display, or implication of geothermal energy being absorbed but they only showed life being drained and nothing else?

 

[EdwardSuoh]

I'm neutral on that subject, I'm more focused on Eggman stating if the energy they collected was released, it would destroy a planet.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Which would be a 5-B feat as he blatantly stated that the planet would be gone without a trace

 

[FateAlbane]

The case in point is that the energy is kinda sorta shown to affect the planet on that scale.
With said energy: Across the whole planet, wasteland.

Energy is given back: Planet's surface is insta-terraformed.

I'm not caring much about the nature of the energy. I just feel like it's arguing needless semantics at this point when as far as I can look the results of said absorption are shown as comparable if not outright superior to Geothermal absorption, even if it turned out to be some different source of energy.

 

[KinkiestSins]

I mean, ngl, I doubt writers know half the things they write about.

Otherwise, I gurantee would we would revise sixty to seventy percent of verses on here because of "Author Intent."

No Statement? Check

No display? Check

Even at best, this is a very vague assumption and implication imo that we shouldnt really take too seriously.

Thats all, I too like Matt will probably go to sleep. I agree with weekly, but open to be swayed if the evidence presents itself.

But for now, I have only seen rhetoric that at best is stretching the truth imo.

 

[EdwardSuoh]

Sure. I thought we were arguing at least High 6-A. I'm just saying High 6-A seems reasonable.

 

[FateAlbane]

No display? Pal, the video literally shows the thing insta terraforming the whole planet as soon as its given back.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Edward The point is there is no actual proof of a High 6-A feat

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Fate Giving life energy back to things that had their life energy drained isnt an AP feat nor is it terraforming. Its literally resurrection that people are treating like AP

 

[FateAlbane]

Full energy taken reduced the planet to a wasteland. Full energy given back terraformed it.

Terraforming a planet alters atmosphere, temperature, whole topography of the surface and ecology.

That is literally shown happening instantly. Saying this isn't legit really just looks like disregarding feats to me.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

But its not terraforming it at all, its literally just giving back the energy that was stolen by the Eggrobo.

 

[FateAlbane]

Even if that were the case, the scale of the collective energy absorbed as a whole, is shown to affect on a complete planetary surface lvl.

The feat doesn't even happen overtime. The change across the globe is nearly instant.

That being said, I've had my fair share of debating this. I'll leave my position unchanged and let others ultimately decide on this.

 

[EdwardSuoh]

Unless I'm really not understanding, it appears like snow is melting: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWFuY1NmtaQ) which seems to imply heat. That and the wind and sky seem to change, but that could just be the life stuff. I'm kinda torn cause the reblooming of the trees does make it seem more magical life energy than heat, but the snow (if that's what it is) seems to imply heat, and I doubt it's both. I'll look at it again tomorrow, I'm heading to bed like everyone else.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Thats not snow melting, thats the plants returning to color after havin their energy stolen, which turned them a solid white

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Fate That would be a range feat, not an AP feat

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

I'm in agreement with Matthew on this topic

 

[WeeklyBattles]

May i ask why

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

I'm suprised you didn't ask Knight the same question

Matt's points simply make more sense to me and I don't think I should explain why

 

[EdwardSuoh]

So the implication is if the machine blows it'll release the energy it's consumed, destroy the planet. At that point does it matter what kind of energy it is if we've got that statement? After all, I doubt we've got any solids figures for life energy.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Rebuble I dont get why anyone is agreeing that theyre legit, youre just the first person i asked

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Edward No, its never stated, hence why i dont think the feat is quantifiable

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also if the machine really DID return all of the energy instantly, why would it not destroy the planet like Eggman said it would? There's no difference between releasing all of the energy instantly through the machine and releasing the energy instantly by breaking the glass its contained in.