Sonic (Pre-GW) vs Hades Izanami

[SSBXeno573]

4-B vs. Low 5-B

Speed: Equalized

Location: World of Void

No Prep or Prior Knowledge

SBA for everything else

Hades Izanami: 1

Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave): 4

Incon: 1

 

[Schnee_One]

Incon neither can kill the other

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

How about power null with Sword of Acorns, it works on 2-As.

 

[Schnee_One]

That nulls her not kills her

Her immortality is reliant on the Amaterasu unit

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Can't Sonic just knock her out?

 

[LightinAnt]

That's not part of his standard equipment i.e he doesn't literally carry that around with him everywhere. Even if he had it what difference does it make when he literally has the AP advantage anyway?

I think Izanami takes this because she resists alot of what Sonic can do and has more versatile stuff while also having Type 8 and 5, also Time Manipulation

 

[SSBXeno573]

Sonic would have to bypass Phenomenon intervention and the Takamagahara System.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

That's not part of his standard equipment i.e he doesn't literally carry that around with him everywhere. Even if he had it what difference does it make when he literally has the AP advantage anyway?
I think Izanami takes this because she resists alot of what Sonic can do and has more versatile stuff while also having Type 8 and 5, also Time Manipulation

"Standard Equipment: Chaos Emeralds, Power Rings, Super Emeralds, Sword of Acorns, Sword of Light"

You were saying?

 

[LightinAnt]

I know its stated there, but in context of the Sonic canon he doesn't literally carry all that stuff with him at once everywhere, we were having arguments about justification for Standard equipment.

 

[Schnee_One]

Can't Sonic just knock her out?

By what?

Punching her?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Leave the SE for another thread instead of derailing this.

Anyways not saying Sonic can kill her, but can he KO?

 

[Schnee_One]

How?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

By breathing on her?

He's 4-B compared to her Low 5-B.

 

[Schnee_One]

And that KOs her how?

That AP would ******* vaporize her, which is death

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

But then type 8 would bring her back.

Which is why I'm asking if he could simply win via KO.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Are Hades' abilities derived from Magic?

 

[LightinAnt]

Yeah she would just come back

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Maverick If they are, that could be trouble for her

 

[LightinAnt]

@Maverick Zero X

No they are natural to her

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Ant that's not what he means. Are they magical in nature?

 

[SSBXeno573]

Even if they were magic, why would they be trouble?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Sonic's Aura nullifies magic-based attacks.

 

[SSBXeno573]

Ok. Not like it matters sonce they're not magic.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Sonic resists magic from 2-A beings and his aura nullifies it.

 

[LightinAnt]

Nope, she retains those powers as an Observer and Phenomena Intervention, there is magic in Blaz Blue but Hades's powers don't come from them

 

[MYHERO]

How would Sonic's fate manip work here?

 

[MYHERO]

I'm gonna vote for Sonic here, he can just knock her out quite easily.

 

[LightinAnt]

Sonic can't knock her out because he will instantly kill her with 4-B AP, but she will just come back because she is literally Death and has type 8. He has to use Hax, which at that point Hades wins because she resists quite alot and likes to use Time Stop

 

[MYHERO]

His fate hax should have some affect here.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

"Sonic can't knock her out because he will instantly kill her with 4-B AP"

What kind of reasoning is that? If he can kill her with that AP, then he can certainly KO her.

 

[MYHERO]

The fate hax will make her into a jobber so it's unlikely for her to kill Sonic here. And just a light touch should be enough to knock her out though. I know a solar system level character trying to hold back to a small planet level character is weird, but its fiction so it is very possible he can just knock her out.

 

[MYHERO]

Super Goku was able to majorly injure Krillian without killing him. Why won't the same apply here?

 

[MYHERO]

@SSBXeno you should count Shadow's vote here as well he seems incline for Sonic.

 

[LightinAnt]

That's because DB character can supress themselves, also again Hades will likely lead with Timestop and is quite haxxed. Fate Manip doesn't work on Hades since she has Acausality

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah, might as well say I'm voting for Sonic via having AP to KO.

 

[Jinsye]

I mean

It's very hard to try and "ko" an Ant without accidentally killing it.

 

[SSBXeno573]

Vote counted.

 

[LightinAnt]

Hades also has probability and causality manipulation, so Sonic trying to attack her also goes in her favour

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sonic can KO her. Idk why people think that these characters can't knock others out when they hold back on a day to day basis when not in a fight.

 

[MYHERO]

That's because DB character can supress themselves, also again Hades will likely lead with Timestop and is quite haxxed. Fate Manip doesn't work on Hades since she has Acausality

So you're telling me that suppressing is an exclusive power to certain franchises? No.

And she only has Acasualty type 1 and 2. She would need Acasualty type 4 in order for her to resist his.