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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

I hope it's an actual tie between Sonic and Shadow so the Sonic fans don't run with the whole "Shadow isn't the Ultimate Lifeform, Sonic is" thing they keep clouting Sonic up to be. I like the Blue Boy, but the constant glazing Sonic in terms of his narrative and his fans' comparison of characters just as a means to put down Shadow fans is cringe. Same for the inverse too cuz I know Shadow fans are going to be annoying as well (and I'm saying that as a Shadow fan myself).
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
I hope it's an actual tie between Sonic and Shadow so the Sonic fans don't run with the whole "Shadow isn't the Ultimate Lifeform, Sonic is" thing they keep clouting Sonic up to be. I like the Blue Boy, but the constant glazing Sonic in terms of his narrative and his fans' comparison of characters just as a means to put down Shadow fans is cringe. Same for the inverse too cuz I know Shadow fans are going to be annoying as well (and I'm saying that as a Shadow fan myself).
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Purely based of the trailers so far, if Sonic does manage to beat Shadow, it's gonna be after some war of attrition and the craziest jumping ever

Even in the scene that looks to be toward the climax of the movie, Shadow caught Sonic's punch, dropped a one-liner, and rocked his shit once again
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Purely based of the trailers so far, if Sonic does manage to beat Shadow, it's gonna be after some war of attrition and the craziest jumping ever
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Either that or an ahhpull anime rage/willpower moment. Either way, I just hope they put some respect on Shadow's name and don't do him like how these fans envision. People will say that Sonic beats Shadow pretty much every time, but then forget they're constantly stated to be equals and them only fighting, like, twice or so. Or downplay the difficulty of a fight against Shadow as if he was light work.
 
Why do most people argue Adventure vs "Modern" Super quills when there's more nuance then that? X, Uekawa, & Heroes aren't the same at all, but all get pigeonholed into "Modern".

Oh well, Yuda made the best Super Sonic 30 years ago & it hasn't been seen since, he's literally the best of all worlds.
 
Notifications for this this thread weren't working for me, probably for the better

Omegabronic said:
A tip, it is bettee to ask first instead of assuming how things are, the Timeline blogs already make clear that the IDW comics are secondary canon
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Then this should've been added there too. Or the evidence for the animations. Or saving Ian's tweets in screenshots since he might close his Twitter. Or compiling more evidence for Sonic Channel being legit. Or updating the names of the sagas. Or not double-post for requests. Or, or, or...
 
I find it funny that when a lot of artists attempt to "fix" the 3&K sprites the end result is 100x worse (3&K sprites are peak, they don't need fixing, argue with the wall).
 
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ZothythoTheNephalem said:
I hope it's an actual tie between Sonic and Shadow so the Sonic fans don't run with the whole "Shadow isn't the Ultimate Lifeform, Sonic is" thing they keep clouting Sonic up to be. I like the Blue Boy, but the constant glazing Sonic in terms of his narrative and his fans' comparison of characters just as a means to put down Shadow fans is cringe. Same for the inverse too cuz I know Shadow fans are going to be annoying as well (and I'm saying that as a Shadow fan myself).
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I have to admit I do like the idea sonic is something 50 years old and 16 at the same time
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
I agree whole-heartedly. I'm tired of his past continuously getting brought up. I want to see his present and future and what he can bring to the table in terms of story. What new challenges he can overcome. Not old potholes he keeps bumping into. I like Shadow Generations, but his past is a tired cliche at this point. Involving Maria, using stuff from the tragedy on the ARK, Gerald, etc. I do like the concept of the Black Arms and I feel like they COULD be ironed out more perhaps, but nothing that deeply involves his past all too much so it doesn't become a trend. Something new would be better.

In terms of characterization, it feels like the lingering effects of the Pontac era that still plague Shadow characterization to this day. It's a good baseline, but his baseline feels like it's been shifted drastically from his inception. Which is expected I suppose, but still a far cry from what he was. Adventure Era (nix Shadow 05 and Battle) was nothing like how he's portrayed now. Shadow, despite having a tragic past, had a fun-loving side to him that was paired with his serious and competitive nature. He'll make goofy one-liners, smile, and socialize. SA2 Shadow shows this, in spite of his quest. Same for Sonic Heroes Shadow.

Then you have 06 Shadow, which is a perfect example of how to characterize him in a way that takes all of what he went through into account. It's a perfect mix of edge, yet depth. Despite that, 06 Shadow never feels too edgy or ridiculous. Shadow becomes more complete and affirmed in his goals going forward, establishes his connection to his friends and doesn't try to hide that fact from anyone, seems like the most mature person in the room who is always trying to get the job done for the world, yet still retains the competitive energy and confidence from before without looking like he's constantly having a Super Vegeta (TM) moment.

Back in those days, he was never completely annoyed or loathed Sonic, he actually found him to be a great rival and often had fun competing against him. It was kind of like a sibling rivalry that established them as true equals in their fields while going about things their own way. Honestly, I see Shadow as having a more "kuudere" archetype in terms of outward expression. Stoic, calm, but honest and CAN express emotions rather easily when he wants to. Not this angry tsundere that Shadow is these days. I enjoyed how Shadow in 06 was super calm and often held control in chaos (badum-tss) and being more low-energy to Sonic's high chaotic energy. It's a cool yin-yang that I enjoy.

I also enjoyed how back in those days, he wasn't really defined by his rivalry with Sonic, either. He had his own separate goals and things to do than worrying about the next "victory over Sonic" he'll have. Bro was LITERALLY in his lane. I also felt a mutual trust in Sonic that Shadow had that while they go about stuff differently, their goals ultimately come to align. I don't believe in this "antihero Shadow" rhetoric. I firmly believe Shadow is a true hero through and through that realistically wouldn't get in Sonic's way if Sonic is trying to actually save the world or anything as it's made abundantly clear that Sonic is a naturally good-aligned character. Only time I see him getting in Sonic's way is if he was going to do something rash and without thought. The duality of Sonic and Shadow is that Sonic is a do-er while Shadow is a thinker. So I think that conflict could be cool, but shouldn't cause a form of divide but more establish their way of carrying out tasks as well as checking one another when necessary.

Sorry if this is a long read, I just feel very passionately about Shadow. He's the most depthful character in the series who's permanently affected the franchise, yet gets mistreated, mischaracterized, and misunderstood constantly and it's sad to see. He's a character who has insane potential be a great character and the tools are there, the team just needs to pick them up and utilize them properly.
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I share the same thoughts, and I have a bunch of things I want to say, but I don't feel like typing it all out anymore.

Though, one thing your message has made me think about is Shadow's VA. To me, one thing separating the current Shadow to his portrayal at his inception is his voice. I'm still not sold on Kirk Thornton. I appreciate the most recent voice direction he's been given, but I still don't feel his voice is what Shadow's should be. Shadow generally acts like and seems to be a biological young adult, and I think his voice should reflect that.

Ian Hanlin's Shadow voice was refreshing to me because it felt like a step in the right direction.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
I share the same thoughts, and I have a bunch of things I want to say, but I don't feel like typing it all out anymore.

Though, one thing your message has made me think about is Shadow's VA. To me, one thing separating the current Shadow to his portrayal at his inception is his voice. I'm still not sold on Kirk Thornton. I appreciate the most recent voice direction he's been given, but I still don't feel his voice is what Shadow's should be. Shadow generally acts like and seems to be a biological young adult, and I think his voice should reflect that.

Ian Hanlin's Shadow voice was refreshing to me because it felt like a step in the right direction.
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I mean, for me at least Kirk is the VA that sounds exactly like what you described
 
Alexander said:
Where
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Reddit—powerscaling sub.

JJSliderman said:
Surprised it took you that long.
I got an “over time destruction” Solaris for 400.
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I got that like... once or twice when SvM 2 was revealed. But after that? Naw. Time Eater I've only gotten "he's weaker than Solaris" paired with The End "they're weaker than Solaris."

Theuser789 said:
In a Death Battle related discussion?
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Kinda? It was talking about the theoritical Cell (Z) vs Metal Sonic. He basically said, "whatever statements made doesn't matter because of Gerald and Tails comment in the Time Eater fight."
 
Peptocoptr27 said:
I saw one on a Reddit power-scalling sub just a few hours ago... Is it this one perchance?
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When you think about it: doesn't Sonic x Shadow Generations retroactively disprove this notion?

Because maybe I'm making assumptions, but that scene with Shadow on the Space Colony ARK and the Time Eater shows the latter basically destroying the universe and beyond in a matter of seconds. At least that's how I interpret it.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
I share the same thoughts, and I have a bunch of things I want to say, but I don't feel like typing it all out anymore.

Though, one thing your message has made me think about is Shadow's VA. To me, one thing separating the current Shadow to his portrayal at his inception is his voice. I'm still not sold on Kirk Thornton. I appreciate the most recent voice direction he's been given, but I still don't feel his voice is what Shadow's should be. Shadow generally acts like and seems to be a biological young adult, and I think his voice should reflect that.

Ian Hanlin's Shadow voice was refreshing to me because it felt like a step in the right direction.
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Ian's voice for Shadow is good, but sadly he'll only appear in the games if he moves to California or SEGA decides to move production out to Canada for voice work.
 
ShakeResounding said:
"Hey dude you know the JP scripts are also canon right? Considering Sonic is a JP IP with scripts catering to the JP audience specifically, with special care as of late to preserve that distinct identity?"

"Nope, nope, nope. Ian Flynn is my GOD now."

Most Death Battle refute ever
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Reminds me of this video I saw on YouTube about Solaris vs The End, where people were trying to say that Ian Flynn's statement about The End being weaker than Solaris is WOG due to Ian being the "creator" of The End.

You know, ignoring the existence of Motion Kishimoto
 
ShakeResounding said:
"Hey dude you know the JP scripts are also canon right? Considering Sonic is a JP IP with scripts catering to the JP audience specifically, with special care as of late to preserve that distinct identity?"

"Nope, nope, nope. Ian Flynn is my GOD now."

Most Death Battle refute ever
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On all fairness, sonic's main audience is America even if it originated in Japan, they do pay attention to the American community
 
Peptocoptr27 said:
I figured this was ironic... but in hindsight, it might not
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yeah i have a list of things that tell when i am discussing against someone that has the worst opinions in powescaling:
1.they wank Dragon ball
2. They downplay other verses to the lowest levels possiblw
3. They have a dragón ball profile picture, and most of the times, is the last one that sets my alarms
 
The upcoming DC crossover can blatantly have Super Sonic tearing the Overvoid asunder just by charging a spin attack & a Death Battle Redditor will still say "nuh uh,he's only onion ring level".
 
So, on the topic of Eggman.
There are occasions where he is protected from Hax just by being inside his Eggmobile (like Egg Reverie).

So if someone tried to target Eggman with a hax while he was inside a machine that resists that hax, but Eggman himself doesn’t.
What would happen.
 
JJSliderman said:
So, on the topic of Eggman.
There are occasions where he is protected from Hax just by being inside his Eggmobile (like Egg Reverie).

So if someone tried to target Eggman with a hax while he was inside a machine that resists that hax, but Eggman himself doesn’t.
What would happen.
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I guess it depends if the Jax in question has the ability to bypass Eggman's machine and affect him directly
 
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