Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Theuser789]

Nah, Perfect Chaos specially has a bunch of statements and showing saying otherwise,

Look inside.

It's one.

 

[Omegabronic]

There is many i didn't showed you....you'll be surprised

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Nah, Perfect Chaos specially has a bunch of statements and showing saying otherwise, and MO is > Chaos

My apologies, but I don't think I understand what you're saying about this.

You're probably going to want to wait to make that thread, but can you be more specific about what Perfect Chaos has that suggests otherwise?

 

[Omegabronic]

My apologies, but I don't think I understand what you're saying about this.

You're probably going to want to wait to make that thread, but can you be more specific about what Perfect Chaos has that suggests otherwise?

As you said, better wait for the thread

 

[JJSliderman]

Is this the true 1-C Base comeback??

 

[MysticMania]

There are interesting possibilities to explore that. Of course, I think it wouldn't be due to reality warping the disease away, as I think they seem to prefer to not bring multiple possible things to the Chaos Emeralds anymore (The reason why IDW came up with the Warp Topaz and they had to directly state Chaos Control couldn't solve the Metal Virus Crisis).

Still, this was before Black Doom basically showed a lot of reality warping in Shadow Generations, but who knows if that will end up as what Iizuka told during interviews, or just something stated in interviews that will later be explained as "those were just illusions, he had no Chaos Emeralds, so couldn't be Chaos Control. Yet Gerald's Journal does state something about the Chaos Emeralds being able to "warp reality to your will", so who knows.

In Sonic Battle Shadow does have a healing skill that is said to be "powered by Chaos Control", so I guess there's something for that. The truth is that by warping time and space, there are many ways you could manage one's body to improve healing, some time stop in controlled regions while increasing speed in others could make a body produce enough antibodies against whatever is attacking the body. It could also create some jump-gates between damaged parts of the body, allowing the flow of blood in one's body to continue as if nothing had happened.

It could take some creativity, but as long as you can work with that, I think there are good possible applications for Chaos Control that could do wonders in medicine.

This is fascinating to read through, and to think about.

 

[MysticMania]

Metal Overlord resists abilities he copies. He says it doesn't work on him because "Chaos Control is mine" and Omega says Metal's own Chaos Control neutralized it.

This is busted, if I were fighting metal sonic I'd be pissed

 

[MysticMania]

I guess we had 6D base forms as far back as the Adventure Era,because there's no way Black Doom resurrected & inexplicably jumped several degrees of infinity for no reason.

he trained for 2 weeks in the hyperbolic time chamber, of course

 

[Fireld]

Of course not, he got gains by doing mental training while he was dead

 

[Executor_N0]

Classic Sonic eating Angel Island should be a feat

 

[Theuser789]

Classic Sonic eating Angel Island should be a feat

Funniest joke being unintentional is really funny to me.

 

[MysticMania]

Complete Shadow does seem to be invincible. The blast from this thing do no damage to Winged Complete Shadow.

This works for me, because I can still believe in a steady level of power for the characters

 

[MysticMania]

He may be blocking the blast with his wings, which is really cool if that's what's happening.

 

[Theuser789]

Complete Shadow does seem to be invincible. The blast from this thing do no damage to Winged Complete Shadow.

This works for me, because I can still believe in a steady level of power for the characters

Completed Doom Shadow is a pseudo-super form transformation, and Doom Wing is invulnerable (we see this in Ark Act 2).

 

[Dust_Collector]

Chaos Spear maintaining air speed if you spam it is crazy I hope they never patch this out.

 

[BlastX]

I like how Shadow Generations continues that trend of showing characters getting stronger over time, despite SEGA's insistence of it not being true, by having Shadow single handedly kicking the asses of Metal Overlord and Mephiles. The former of whom needed three Super forms to take out and the latter requiring Shadow to remove his inhibitor rings to take him out.

I imagine that Metal Overlord's going to get downgraded for this, but it does add another Low 2-C/2-C feat to the table.

That's Flynn saying that, not Sega.

 

[Theuser789]

That's Flynn saying that, not Sega.

Sega definitively approved those boss fights. Flynn is against base characters beating super form tier foes.

 

[Omegabronic]

Sega definitively approved those boss fights. Flynn is against base characters beating super form tier foes.

he accepted it pretty ok when asked about overlord in Shadow Gens during the bumblecast

 

[JJSliderman]

Metal Overlord resists abilities he copies. He says it doesn't work on him because "Chaos Control is mine" and Omega says Metal's own Chaos Control neutralized it.

Considering Shadow does smthn similar in the final boss, maybe they just retconned it so Chaos Control has this talent specifically

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Considering Shadow does smthn similar in the final boss, maybe they just retconned it so Chaos Control has this talent specifically

That's what I'm thinking too... It doesn't even have to be a retcon per say

 

[JJSliderman]

It would have to be, given CC users have frozen other users in the past

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

Does this also mean no more dual Chaos Control time travel or are those emeralds just chaotic?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

It would have to be, given CC users have frozen other users in the past

Yeah, but they could have still hypothetically have used their own Chaos Control to cancel it out manually. It's just not passive, as shown quite explicitely when Shadow does it in Generations. Having said that, it does seem to be passive for Metal Overlord. Hmmmmm...

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Does this also mean no more dual Chaos Control time travel or are those emeralds just chaotic?

Why would it mean that?

 

[Theuser789]

Considering Shadow does smthn similar in the final boss, maybe they just retconned it so Chaos Control has this talent specifically

Doubtful and there's no real evidence plus prior games contradict this. Shadow just gets a resistance, too.

 

[Omegabronic]

Considering Shadow does smthn similar in the final boss, maybe they just retconned it so Chaos Control has this talent specifically

Nah, Super Sonic has Chaos Control as well and he can't do that

 

[Omegabronic]

Does this also mean no more dual Chaos Control time travel or are those emeralds just chaotic?

.....huh?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

You know I don't think is going to be the case when it comes out on December 12th, but I think it would be really sick if SEGA went the extra mile with Keanu Reeves and have him voice all of Shadow's dialogue in the campaign, not just the movie stage DLC.

Is it going to happen? Most like not, but it would be pretty cool if it did. Kind of like the Duke Nukem DLC from Bulletstorm if anyone knows that game.

 

[Issen_Mk_III]

Apparently a lot of the shit I say doesn't make sense, especially to the Royal Knight.

 

[Theuser789]

Does this also mean no more dual Chaos Control time travel or are those emeralds just chaotic?

Gerald literally confirms that's still a thing in this game.

 

[Hasty12345]

1-A?

 

[ShakeResounding]

No, downgrade.

However, that Type 2 BDE Archie thread is still going. That and iirc somebody plans one more Archie/Game upgrade attempt. After that, of both fail, I'll downgrade Off-Panel myself.

 

[Hasty12345]

The justification as is, is blatantly 1-A

 

[ShakeResounding]

Off-Panel likely doesn't qualify for true R>F anymore agaik.

The one person who could confirm or deny (@ElixirBlue) is MIA and I haven't read the Off-Panel parts to know.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I guess the base cast beating Master Overlord makes sense now

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I guess the base cast beating Master Overlord makes sense now

.... How does it make sense ?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

.... How does it make sense ?

Assuming Shadow Generations results in a Metal Overlord downgrade rather than the wiki dismissing Shadow beating him as an outlier, the base cast scaling to Master Overlord is no longer nonsensical

 

[ShakeResounding]

We're about to have our own Civil War regarding whether Metal Overlord gets downgraded or upgraded lol

 

[Omegabronic]

We're about to have our own Civil War regarding whether Metal Overlord gets downgraded or upgraded lol

I will personally end it, METAL OVERCHAD WILL SWEEP STILL

 

[FaceOff81]

No, downgrade.

However, that Type 2 BDE Archie thread is still going. That and iirc somebody plans one more Archie/Game upgrade attempt.

Elaborate on the one more Archie/Game upgrade attempt.

After that, of both fail, I'll downgrade Off-Panel myself.

That will more likely start a civil war more so than the Metal Overlord scaling.