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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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MysticMania
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Digital Dimension would be cool with CrossWorlds' theme.
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the tables have changed
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No they have not
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I was talking about Game Sonic fighting FlashNo they have not
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Shadow's manga finished.
I think statements regarding White Space are fine to use for the main canon, but Infind it hard to believe it was meant to be canon at all. Feels more like an alternate continuity than something that's supposed to be self-encapsulating like Prime or 06
I think statements regarding White Space are fine to use for the main canon, but Infind it hard to believe it was meant to be canon at all. Feels more like an alternate continuity than something that's supposed to be self-encapsulating like Prime or 06
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White Space is already atemporal without the manga man
ShakeResounding
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man i feel stupid trying to use a spell against the creator of the spell
ShakeResounding
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LMAO you're fine man, just taking potshots at you
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On a separate note; does anybody here have any theories as to WHAT exactly is happening in Shadow's one-shot? Aside from a brief summary of the plot, we still don't have anything concrete afaik.
I'm also wondering if it somehow leads into Sonic x DC comics but that I doubt
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Shadow will go to some village and think the Black Arms are there but it's just a false alarm.
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basically he now has schizophrenia
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Sonic vs Flash was closed without any warning lol. Hope it was because of their "highly controversial" rules instead of them actually believing it to be a stomp in Flash's favor given Sonic's haxes.
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One thing I found interesting is that, unless I misunderstood something, in this version Black Doom could only transform into his higher forms after Shadow grew strong enough and Black Doom was healed enough (I don’t remember if Black Doom not being fully restored or locked out of his higher forms were plot points in the game version so maybe this isn’t new). It’s probably not any indication of Gens Black Doom’s power in comparison to 05 Black Doom power though, as if we assume the manga’s version of Shadow 05 went largely the same Black Doom never went Neo during his first encounter with Shadow.
Idk if any of this is usable for the main continuity, as like you said it doesn’t really fit into canon.
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According to the Volume compilation, it's stated to have been "greatly supervised by Sonic Team to be consistent" or something like that IIRC.
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As far as we know, Doom could've entered Devil form at will and really only let Shadow grow stronger because he did as well alongside Shadow.
This is my headcanon, but I think Doom's Neo form WAS only attainable by letting Shadow reach his Evolved State. Otherwise he would've capped at Devil Doom.
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where does that penguin come from mister shake?
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Really? Can you post that?
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Oh, really? Then do you have any opinions as to how it could fit into canon considering Shadow Generations' story?
I understand something like "supplementary canon" of sorts that we can draw statements from, but I don't see it possible to reconcile Shadow being ignorant of his own history (and the Two Shadows theory doesn't work because of Doom, lest we assume additional version of Shadow AND Doom were just... chilling in canon White Space).
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Black doom changed his memories
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Ah. Simple, but a genuine possibility I suppose
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My mistake, it was just "supervised". Anyway, it does say that even though an adaptation, it's an "original story".
To give an example, Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure novel are completely different stories, and yet they depend on each other even though they make no sense together continuity-wise, it's just that what matters for them is the lore and worldbuilding, so inconsistencies are just disregarded as not mattering.
Anyway, even if one day they say "It's canon" or "The lore is canon", you don't need to have different stories to fit together to both be canon. There are cases of adaptations that completely change the original work and are still canon, you are just supposed to ignore the inconsistencies and just accept what happened as lore to understand the original work.
To give an example, Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure novel are completely different stories, and yet they depend on each other even though they make no sense together continuity-wise, it's just that what matters for them is the lore and worldbuilding, so inconsistencies are just disregarded as not mattering.
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Being consistent doesn't mean it is in the same universe
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So, essentially, how Wii Colors and DS Colors are both canon despite it making no sense.
That makes sense, then. Question under this line of reasoning.
Would it be reasonable to make a Manga Shadow profile (different tier and etc as well) to establish it being an "original story" while simultaneously using any statements (for example, White Space lore) for the main pages? Or is that having the cake and eating it too?
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I feel like this would he fine. This is clearly not mainline Shadow because of the plot differences, but the lore should be the same.
Btw should we assume canon Shadow can also partially resist his memories being altered in base like Mangadow?
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the guy got amnesia temporaly by falling to earth
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He was on a bad day
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Head trauma > Memory manipulation
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even Sonic in a bad day does not get amnesia by breaking realityHe was on a bad day
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The manga version of White Space seems to be connected much closer to Black Doom. He said it’s held together by his power, and when he’s destroyed everything goes back to normal instead of just Maria going back to her time like in the game. There’s also no mention of the Time Eater or anything like that. Manga Black Doom is kinda like both Gens villains in one if you think about it, since destroying the Time Eater in Sonic Gens seemed to restore everything in the same way.
Where does that scale btw
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In case there's any need for more context, I think it's always fine to just wait for the Volume version, as they often put some extra content there, so maybe behind-the-scenes or some background info. The release date is just 2 months from now, Windii also confirmed she'll translate it if Viz doesn't.
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For the bolded, Shadow Generations implies Doom's portion of White Space was ALSO being held together by his power (Gerald stating Black Doom is preventing time from healing +Movie DLC being stated to be due to Black Doom's presence in JP dialogue). But yeah things instantly going back to normal is different.
Low 2-C if we assume only a universal scale for this "alternate" White Space (as he would be massively affecting a Low 2-C structure, preventing it from healing). I prefer to leave any higher-dimensional stuff away from this "continuity", as it seems like too big of an assumption otherwise.
Probably gonna collect a bunch of statements from the manga about White Space being atemporal (as if THAT needed any more evidence).
Oh, on a separate but related note, Manga Shadow is gonna be pretty high into Tier 8. Has a calced feat for it and everything.
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what about the part about "transcending dimensions"Japanese website confirms infinite multiverse (according to Google Translate). Downplayers lost.
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For a bit of context, since most people seem to ignore this in other franchises, in Japanese the words for "crossing" and "transcend" sound the same (こえる), but ideally they have different Kanji. So often 越える is to be used for "crossing" and 超える is to be used for "transcend". However, it's common to use "超える" to describe the act of crossing something that seems transcendental, like if someone travels across time or between dimensions, it's not strange for the word to be used is 超える, but instead of describing the act of being beyond or above something ontologically, it's about being able to access different regions of it.
Like, the Japanese name for Pokémon's 4th movie is "時を超えた遭遇" which can be translated as "An encounter that transcends time" or "An encounter beyond time", but if one would watch the movie, it's referring to the act of traveling across time, to "exceed" is to mean to be able to move across it.
So, in Japanese, it's very common to use the term "transcend time" or "transcend dimensions" to merely mean "move across" in a practical sense, which I think becomes common since they have a single sound word for it (こえる) and sometimes Japanese can ignore different kanji to specify a certain meaning if they think isn't very necessary (Or sometimes, because even they are uncertain about it).
So the description from the website says
Like, the Japanese name for Pokémon's 4th movie is "時を超えた遭遇" which can be translated as "An encounter that transcends time" or "An encounter beyond time", but if one would watch the movie, it's referring to the act of traveling across time, to "exceed" is to mean to be able to move across it.
So, in Japanese, it's very common to use the term "transcend time" or "transcend dimensions" to merely mean "move across" in a practical sense, which I think becomes common since they have a single sound word for it (こえる) and sometimes Japanese can ignore different kanji to specify a certain meaning if they think isn't very necessary (Or sometimes, because even they are uncertain about it).
So the description from the website says
So yes, technically you could say "transcend dimensions", but not only there's the whole context of how it's often used, but it also specifies "無限の世界が交差する" which means "crossing infinite worlds" or "intersecting infinite worlds". So the meaning of the act of "transcend dimensions" refers to how it's used to travel between the different worlds or make these worlds intersect.
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tl;dr: No 1-A Sonic scaling, guys.
But fr, Japanese is an interesting context-based language and it does suck to see some people attempt to twist it to fit a narrative they want simply for scaling. Not much appreciation for the actual language. I don't know the language, but I try and treat it with respect the best I can.
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the same can be said with Spanish
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