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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Alexander said:
I think you should also redo the calculation of sonic outpacing the ad infinitum maze.
because that calculation is based on the fact that this is sonic idw and not the merge,also the fact that the badniks could have more stamina that just assuming they last 2 months
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what do you suggest then?
 
MysticMania said:
just run faster ?
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if sonic's accelerated development allows him to be stronger every second,tecnically he should be at least 4 times more powerful every second(this is just a estimation based on the rings amplification)
now,put that in a calculator and i get,1.32E+36 times the first sonic used,so,it will be useless for sonic even with that amplification(unless in sonic prime sonic increases is power and speed to the point of having 300%power and speed even when they stole at least 1/4 of his power and speed by absorption, that is, a 12 times power and speed increase)but even then that is still to low.
 
now that i think about it, since the spin dash is something sonic always had

classic sonic would go to 8.517.825.859.57c, translating it is 8 billion times ftl
 
Wow I missed a lot.
MysticMania said:
That's understandable. Thank you for the response.
I don't really agree with Spindash increasing his reaction speed, but you definitely have a point that, if his reaction speed did naturally scale, then the robots' would as well, thus creating an issue. So, I feel it makes sense that it's a full amp, so to speak, because of that.
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It visibly does amp his speed tho. When he uses it, THAT'S when he starts to see everything in slow motion. Not to mention if that was his natural speed, the amp of Spin Dash wouldn't have helped Sonic as the Eggforcers would be able to react. Not to mention when he helped his friends use the Spin Dash, even Sonic moved in slow-mo from their perspective. I think it seems clear that when Sonic uses amps his reactions are enhanced too. Otherwise we'd only be arguing his travel speed is the only thing affected Which is useless in most cases
Greenshifter said:
@LaserPrecision Could you explain this calc to me?
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Sure. All I did was divide the Eggforces real speed by the speed they were visibly moving at in slow-mo. That shows us the dilation of time and thus the increase Spin Dash provides. I got the Eggforcers speed through official statements of Sonic being lightspeed/ftl due to calc stacking not being allowed (Because duh, would lead to every verse being wanked to hell and back)
MysticMania said:
If I may ask, are your calculations being done by taking whatever speed VS Battles buys for base and multiplying by 1billion?
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No, I'm just using officially stated speed since calc-stacking isn't allowed as that leads to wank. As for how I did it, I explained above and it's shown in the calc.
omegabronic said:
i had trouble with this a couple of days ago, like, i didn't had the fuckest idea of what the hell "e+20" even meant lol, it got me into a lot of trouble for my little dumb head lmao
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If it helps, e+20 means there's 20 0's/digits following the number before e. So 9e+20 means 9 followed by 20 zeroes. 7.531e+20 means 7 is followed by 20 digits but the first three digits after 7 is 531. Everything after is zeroes.
Alexander said:
i suggested we take into account the speed of sonic since the timeline of that arc,meaning the ''FTL speeds''are gonna be taking for the calculation.
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The calculation doesn't use Sonic's speed to get the maze size. It uses an assumed speed for Badniks. Travel speed specifically. Given Sonic >>>> 99% of the verse in travel speed, it's doubtful they'd be able to run at lightspeed or FTL. However, their battery possibly lasting longer is entirely valid. I could do three ends ranging from a couple months up to a year (6 months would be mid-end given Forces showed the Egg Empire can fight for 6 months straight albeit we don't see much of what happens in that time)
Alexander said:
if sonic's accelerated development allows him to be stronger every second,tecnically he should be at least 4 times more powerful every second(this is just a estimation based on the rings amplification)
now,put that in a calculator and i get,1.32E+36 times the first sonic used,so,it will be useless for sonic even with that amplification(unless in sonic prime sonic increases is power and speed to the point of having 300%power and speed even when they stole at least 1/4 of his power and speed by absorption, that is, a 12 times power and speed increase)but even then that is still to low.
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Imo, the way Sonic's AD works is that it's faster when around far faster/far stronger opponents. Thus when in games he's facing people only comparable, he barely develops physically (Some people might note that he improved, but that's about it), but in a game against an opponent ludicrously faster or stronger, like Sonic Battle, he jumps from his current tier to Multi-Solar in less than a second by ******* talking to Ultimate Emerl. Man jumped from Small Star level to Multi-Solar pretty much instantly by talking. Then he caught up to Infinite who would scale above his Spin Dash and was thus over a billion times faster and caught up by doing nothing but being tortured in prison for 6 months. Classic Sonic instantly caught up to near Modern Sonic level by just BEING around Modern Sonic. Thus why I think Sonic's AD is similar to Garou's in that he needs someone strong or fast compared to him for it to kick in have the most noticable affects.
omegabronic said:
when's the thread?
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Uhhh, depends on when the other Sonic scholars wanna do it. Namely Shake among a few others.
 
LaserPrecision said:
The calculation doesn't use Sonic's speed to get the maze size. It uses an assumed speed for Badniks. Travel speed specifically. Given Sonic >>>> 99% of the verse in travel speed, it's doubtful they'd be able to run at lightspeed or FTL. However, their battery possibly lasting longer is entirely valid. I could do three ends ranging from a couple months up to a year (6 months would be mid-end given Forces showed the Egg Empire can fight for 6 months straight albeit we don't see much of what happens in that time)
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They shouldn't just be ''mach 1'' either since you take sonic almost being caught by them into account,also,the robots din't show in the series get out of stamina or energy,they can probably last indeterminately
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btw i noticed that i forgot a zero in the super sonic calculation, it is actually 734.588.800.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000c or 734 Decillion, lol
omegabronic said:
btw i did some quick maths with the google calculator and well..................

base sonic would go to 671.388.910.000.000.000.000.000.000c

and super sonic, if we already make him faster than the above value since he would logically naturraly be faster than anything base sonic can do would be 734.588.800.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000c, yeah i think that this is the 3rd or the 4rd fastest finite value of speed on the wiki lol

edit: i forgot a zero lol
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Alexander said:
They shouldn't just be ''mach 1'' either since you take sonic almost being caught by them into account,also,the robots din't show in the series get out of stamina or energy,they can probably last indeterminately
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I took into account they caught up to a casual Sonic. There's a manual stating Sonic chooses to normally run at supersonic speed. Not lightspeed or anything like that. If we see a robot from Eggman (a fodder badnik) catching up to 100% serious Sonic running as fast as he can? Then sure, I'll assume FTL travel speed. Otherwise, no.

And evidently these robots don't have infinite fuel as Eggman said their power would run out before they could finish the maze.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Sure. All I did was divide the Eggforces real speed by the speed they were visibly moving at in slow-mo. That shows us the dilation of time and thus the increase Spin Dash provides. I got the Eggforcers speed through official statements of Sonic being lightspeed/ftl due to calc stacking not being allowed (Because duh, would lead to every verse being wanked to hell and back)
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The thing is though, the audience sees the Eggforcers move all the time, meaning cinematic timing is always in effect. Meaning you can't just divide like that, at best you can get some multiplier for statuing them.
 
Greenshifter said:
The thing is though, the audience sees the Eggforcers move all the time, meaning cinematic timing is always in effect. Meaning you can't just divide like that, at best you can get some multiplier for statuing them.
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KLOL said it was viable and was the one who confirmed my method was okay. It was also accepted/evaluated on top of that.

99% of things in a fictional setting are slowed down to be visible for the viewer. Such as bullets, lightning, etc. Yet for calcs where a character statues them, we can use the same method and that's fine. The same would apply for Eggforcers here.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I took into account they caught up to a casual Sonic. There's a manual stating Sonic chooses to normally run at supersonic speed. Not lightspeed or anything like that. If we see a robot from Eggman (a fodder badnik) catching up to 100% serious Sonic running as fast as he can? Then sure, I'll assume FTL travel speed. Otherwise, no.

And evidently these robots don't have infinite fuel as Eggman said their power would run out before they could finish the maze.
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sonic's minimum speed could be light speed, and not just supersonic speeds,also,I am 99% sure that the reason why they lost the fuel is rather something of fiction and its strange logic. That somehow infinite energy characters can lose all that energy is still fiction after all.
 
LaserPrecision said:
KLOL said it was viable and was the one who confirmed my method was okay. It was also accepted/evaluated on top of that.

99% of things in a fictional setting are slowed down to be visible for the viewer. Such as bullets, lightning, etc. Yet for calcs where a character statues them, we can use the same method and that's fine. The same would apply for Eggforcers here.
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That's kinda weird but alright I guess.
 
Alexander said:
sonic's minimum speed could be light speed, and not just supersonic speeds,also,I am 99% sure that the reason why they lost the fuel is rather something of fiction and its strange logic. That somehow infinite energy characters can lose all that energy is still fiction after all.
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That doesn't make sense. If you're saying lightspeed is his minimum speed, you're assuming the slowest he can or will go. When it's stated he actively/normally chooses to run at supersonic speed. So we know that's the speed he prefers to run at in most cases (Though he can obviously go faster when desired).

No, it's not fiction or strange logic. It's just contradictory. If something with infinite battery can run out of battery, then that just means the battery doesn't have limitless energy. Simple as that.
 
LaserPrecision said:
That doesn't make sense. If you're saying lightspeed is his minimum speed, you're assuming the slowest he can or will go. When it's stated he actively/normally chooses to run at supersonic speed. So we know that's the speed he prefers to run at in most cases (Though he can obviously go faster when desired).

No, it's not fiction or strange logic. It's just contradictory. If something with infinite battery can run out of battery, then that just means the battery doesn't have limitless energy. Simple as that.
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ok
 
How the hell did we get here where there is now a 1 000 000 000x multiplier and 2-A Sonic.

These didnt even exists 4 months ago :VVVV
 
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