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Anyways, that’s enough of derailing on both parts, what else is going to be decided here?
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Some Random One Piece CRT
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I thought it was pretty obvious what I was getting at. Old Whitebeard is significantly strong but he's not meant to be at the same level of "invulnerability" as Kaido and Big Mom. I think he's overrated by comparing directly to the full potency of his earthquakes.
I don't think it's ever been directly implied that generating his earthquakes produces a Newton's Law feedback that hits him with the exact same amount of force. While I get that you could argue "Whitebeard punches the air, generating an earthquake far away and isn't affected by it" could mean that his durability >>> whatever earthquakes he produces, I think it's a big reach to assume that if Whitebeard just stood still and another Whitebeard punched him with an earthquake, that he would be completely unaffected.
This isn't something that is easily solvable and I don't think a lot of people would even recognize it as an issue but I think it would solve a lot of issues if Whitebeard's striking strength & durability didn't scale to his seaquakes.
Why do you think it is that nobody wants to calculate his actual quake strikes that he used against Akainu? Because it's undeniably weaker than what you get if you just calculate the size of the tsunami quakes.
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Oh god with this again.... why else did we downgrade MF Whitebeard to 14 TT from 26? Of course he would be damaged, but he would be able to tank it because he’s literally fought people like roger who’s been rivaled to him, and old WB = Prime WB, but MF WB scales to akainu. So why would you want to calc that crack he used on akainu? That literally makes no sense and AP does NOT EVEN work like that. He punched akainu with the same crack he used to pull off the kaishin, and it’s the same crack he hit akainu with, I don’t see how you’re gonna say AP all of a sudden changes with each attack, very close to an AOE Fallacy btw. There’s no possible proof that each of whitebeards attacks have different AP, you’re gonna calc a clash between him and akainu that’s gonna get tier 8 results lmao. This is what I mean when I say lowball.
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Whitebeard's profile hasn't been updated for that as far as I can tell.
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Because nobody knows what the calcs are gonna be downgraded to. For example, say the kaishin is 13 TT, then OLD WB and Prime WB would be 13 TT, but then say MF Whitebeard has an 8 TT Shima Yurashi or Blackbeard has a 10 TT Shima Yurashi, MF WB and akainu scale to either 10 TT or 8 TT. Once again bro, I respect you but you can’t say that each of whitebeards cracks have diff AP, when he’s using the same crack against akainu, just like the one he did when he pulled off kaishin. AP doesn’t work like that.
EDIT: we should stop derailing.
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Oh right. That thread isn't done?
Okay.
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Yeah I tried bumping it but M3x wanted to report me because I bumped it and because I posted 1 image, so I don't wanna risk that. You can BUMP it though.
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This point was mainly to show that Luffy can take sharp attacks
Fair
THANK YOU
THat's an issue I always had, we have huge gaps between mid, high, and god tier characters when it was never like that
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Doesn’t this CRT close in the gap by a bit? The god tiers currently scale to 6-B which is consistent, but with this crt this will upgrade more characters and some into tier 6.
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Also, why hasn’t there been a meteor scaling crt?
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Everybody in tier 6 is baseline.
This didn't close a damn thing. All yall did was add another gigaton.
This didn't close a damn thing. All yall did was add another gigaton.
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So what solution is there? Keep the scaling like this, because this is all we have? Or do we shaft something to close in the gap. Personally I think the feats speak for themselves and even though there’s a huge gap, whatever we have is just what we have.
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Yes, keep it how it is because that's all we have.
What is solidified? I need to update the sandbox.
Can someone give me a TLDR about the additional 4x on Hody and Hyouzou?
What is solidified? I need to update the sandbox.
Can someone give me a TLDR about the additional 4x on Hody and Hyouzou?
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What does TLDR mean
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Nothing new has been proposed for the meteor scaling. As far as I'm aware, the same issues exist as when it was rejected years ago.
Too Long; Didn't Read.
Basically asking for a short summary.
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Thank you for responding damage. Anyways then ig this crt can replace the meteor scaling, as it seems to be more fair with the multipliers. Since this is all we have anyway, even though the gap is huge, but it’s what we gotta go with, same thing with god tiers being 6-B, it’s all we have, and it’s consistent with the 3 calcs so it’s what we go with.
Oh okay.
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Basically hody scales to 1 gigaton off of gear second iirc. He eats another 2 pills so it’s a 4x multiplier. We were saying 3.9 GT but I forgot we already upscaled to 1 GT, so hyouzou and hody are 4 GT, due to their form and them eating a lot of pills.
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If you're going to mix together upscaling and multipliers and stacking multipliers, then you might as well not upscale. It just introduces even more assumptions into the chains.
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Well I understand it for a few characters, but others are just stronger than others which is why upscaling is warranted, the value is only 994 megatons, which is why it’s upscaling by literally 6 megatons, no harm at all done. Same thing with gear 4th upscaling to baseline 6-C from 3.9-4 GT off of gear third, no harm done there either. Also with Zoro oneshotting Hyouzou, no harm there either.
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Thank you, and who scales to which form?
The multipliers are lowballed because we don't know exactly how many they took. If anything it should be higher.
There's minimal assumptions, and all the assumptions taken just lower the value.
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Gear third luffy that beat hody scales to the 4 GT. I was trying to find a case for Doflamingo but I can’t, and I think Zoro oneshotted that hyouzou, so he gets upscaled to 6-C, and fujitora scales to him.
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What value does no-Haki Gear 2 Luffy scale to?
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Baseline High 7-A
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Alright, is help needed updating the sandbox?
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Okay. Just asking because in Dressrosa Luffy hits Sai with a Gear 2 kick, and hits Gladius with a Jet Stamp. Both fighters remain conscious and able to move & talk afterwards, unlike for example Bellamy who was knocked unconscious by Luffy's Gear 2 attack.
It was still problematic before, but now it's an even bigger issue since the gap has widened. How to we account for Luffy supposedly being 32x higher than these characters yet they can withstand his attacks?
On Ideo's profile currently, he scales to Chinjao for surviving his attack when Sai's in the same position.
Trebol's durability also scales from taking a kick from base Luffy, but Sai survived a kick from Gear 2 Luffy.
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I think it would just be inconsistent with them surviving it, it should be an outlier, because of who they lost to and what not.
For trebol it should stay though.
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I mean that’s fair but what about gladius getting oneshotted by Bartolomeo’s bari bari pistol?
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Then Bart scales. That simple.
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Oh wait I forgot he already scales with barriers lol
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Speaking of Doflamingo.
I don't think he should scale to Luffy's dura off of the "overpowering his rubber".
He's clearly bypassing his resistance.
When Luffy is hit by blunt force attacks, his body stretches.
It doesn't matter if the person is astronomically superior, his physiology isn't meant to just be ignored if too much force hit him.
Consistent here, here, and many other instances.
Even Rayleigh needed Buso to hurt Luffy while training, like come on now.
Doflamingo seems to completely ignore his physiology. His body doesn't stretch.
It just seems like Doffy's using invisible Buso.
I don't think he should scale to Luffy's dura off of the "overpowering his rubber".
He's clearly bypassing his resistance.
When Luffy is hit by blunt force attacks, his body stretches.
It doesn't matter if the person is astronomically superior, his physiology isn't meant to just be ignored if too much force hit him.
Consistent here, here, and many other instances.
Even Rayleigh needed Buso to hurt Luffy while training, like come on now.
Doflamingo seems to completely ignore his physiology. His body doesn't stretch.
It just seems like Doffy's using invisible Buso.
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Makes sense. I don't know why anyone would assume he's overcoming Luffy's Devil Fruit when we know he's a Haki user.
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So where do you think doffy should currently scale?
I think he should have an "At least High 7-A, higher with Awakening" rank for his ap, while his durability should be
"At least High 7-A, possibly 6-C"
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His physicals scale above Diable Jambe Sanji.
His string scales above Gear Third.
His awakening scales to whatever yall decided.
His string scales above Gear Third.
His awakening scales to whatever yall decided.
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Why would Fujitora scale to Zoro?
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He uses his strings in ap too, so
Should it be worded like this.
"At least High 7-A Normally, higher with strings, even higher with awakening"
in the "higher with strings section" we can put Large Mountain Level+, for ap and durability, and then the possibly 6-C for durability, does that sound fine?
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iirc fujitora pinned him down and made him bleed.
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That would be durability.
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but does he not use his strings for ap?
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And Zoro proceeded to overpower thay Gravity, push him back several feet make him shiver with one sword only.
This was also applied relatively recently on a Zoro CRT I made.
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