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Some Random One Piece CRT
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He was, plus it's implied Doflamingo was going to kill him with his next attack had Law not interfered.I think bested or something... Sanji wasn't that damaged from what it looks like...
I'll wait for other people's input though on their opinion.
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I mean, Doffy did have Sanji in a precarious position, and was about to land the finishing blow if not for Law, so... I'd say he did defeat him, and was about to end his life.Donquixote Doflamingo
Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level himself (Easily defeated Sanji)
(Not sure how doffy ever defeated sanji...
Vergo
Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level (Matched Sanji's )
(Matched Sanji's .......)
- Doffy had his attention elsewhere TWICE and Sanji still couldn't do anything, and he was swiftly immobilized.
Matched Sanji's ... ... ... the rest of the text is invisible cuz of the raid-suit?
HmmVergo >>> Oven
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Uhm, Doflamingo was going to kill Sanji if Law didn't step in. That can not be disputed. Sanji could not do anything about the situation.
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We don't truly know that... That's the same as saying luffy couldn't do anything to this situation link but he did...
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Even after Doflamingo deployed his attack and sliced a building in half, Sanji was still motionless. That's enough proof.
Also, Luffy transformed into Gear 4th to break out. Sanji has no transformation or way to bust out if his base physicals aren't working.
I have 0 idea why anyone is trying to say Sanji could've done better against Doflamingo than he did. That's a massive stomp.
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You don't need to transform to get out... Sanji could have waited for doffy to try to hit him with that attack but dodge slightly last second so doffy cuts/burns his own strings...
you can't say Sanji was about to get defeated/killed from that attack, that's an assumption... That's like saying... Luffy can dodge light speed easily and can then easily dodge Yasakani no Magatama
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Why does everything need arguing? It changes nothing... just let it say overpowered or something... There is no way that's a defeat.
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Yall make everything an argument.
"Showed superiority to Sanji" is what I'll put.
Yall working out this Zunesha thing or nah? He'd scale to this instead of the trunk (needs evaluation).
"Showed superiority to Sanji" is what I'll put.
Yall working out this Zunesha thing or nah? He'd scale to this instead of the trunk (needs evaluation).
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I don't know you get "inflicting pain on someone means being superior to their GPE." There many better ways we can be scaling Jack than trying to scale him to Zunesha.
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The blunt force of Jack's steps causes Zunesha more pain than an entire country on its back, he definitely should scale.
Zunesha's GPE = Zunesha's AP = Zunesha's Dura
Jack's AP > Zunesha's Dura, thus Jack's AP > Zunesha's GPE.
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The weight of an entire country is spread out across it's entire back. Jack's footsteps are not spread out across his entire back; if the force of Jack's footprints were spread out over hundreds of square kilometers instead of a few meters squared, we have no evidence that Jack's footsteps would be capable of any amount of damage.
If you took a heavy weight, and you lay down flat on the floor and spread the weight over your entire body then you'd end up uncomfortable but not necessarily in pain because the force of the weight is being withstood by a wide area at once. If you put that same weight and concentrated it on top of a super-thin point, then it could pierce straight through your body. Is my point about surface area making sense?
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You're using weight to argue the pain for Jack, but the thing is Zunesha would have buckled under the weight of Jack had it just been a case of mass. Jack would have sank through the country had that been the case.
The case I'm making is imagine something far smaller than an ant steps on you and causes you to scream to pain, and the case not being because of mass otherwise you would have buckled under the weight of the ant.
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We can use this logic for literally every striking strength feat and say "if the force of the limb was spread out through the entire body or chest or leg or wherever, you wouldn't be in pain because the force of the attack is being withstood by a wide area at once".
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We should be using this logic especially when giant-sized characters are involved. And it depends on how we're getting a characters durability in the first place. Not trying to overcomplicate it but this is just how the physics of it works. It's like the reason for why surface area for durability from explosions is relevant.
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Zunesha being giant and feeling the pain of Jack's small feet throughout his large body instead of it being a minor annoyance should make it more of a feat in the first place.
Surface Area for durability from taking explosions, which is completely different than a small person stomping on you and making you howl in pain.
Surface area for dura from explosions is because the entire explosion isn't hitting you and you need to see how much is hitting you for durability.
The entire foot of Jack is hitting Zunesha and making Zunesha's body feel pain.
Are we gonna say now in the future that if there's a giant being the size of a planet or something, and someone makes a city sized explosion that makes it howl and shiver in pain, they wouldn't scale because of surface area?
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If the reason why the planet-sized character has their durability is because of GBE, then yeah.
If somebody makes a city-sized explosion that leaves a crater on the planet Earth, we don't scale them to the planet's durability despite causing a "visible injury".
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For what reason? They can survive their own force, someone can hurt them, their power > their own force
Earth has no durability. That's different.
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It's not just about the total value of force, it's the application of the force.
I get what you mean, but it seems to me that the Earth does have durability like every physical thing, more or less.
I'm not that knowledgeable concerning the MCU on VSBW but the durability of Ego the planet was calculated here, but destroying individual portions of Ego doesn't make any character scale to the whole thing.
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The only difference between this and the average AP feat is that Jack is small. Does he need to make a hole in his body that goes throughout the entire thing just for him to scale?
Should we now ignore all feats of stabbing or gunshot wounds because of surface area?
Let me rephrase. The earth is a glass cannon.
If you slam the earth into another planet, the earth will most likely be destroyed if it's trying to exert its maximum AP.
Ego's not feeling pain when someone walks on the top of his body and leaves several footprints.
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Btw the footprints Jack left are on the ground of the country, not Zunesha itself.
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Isn't the ground of the country Zunesha itself?
I asked DT about the issue and he's basically agreed with me where the physics of this issue are concerned.
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Nah it's dirt, if it was Zunesha itself it would be elephant skin.
So he agrees that if something smaller than an ant walked on you and caused you pain from purely the force of its steps then it doesn't count as AP?
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At least Large Mountain level (Withstood numerous attacks from Gear 2nd and 3rd Luffy for upwards of 11 consecutive hours), higher with Haki (Withstood a brief beating from Bound-Man Luffy, but was visibly injured and sent flying from the assault)
So the above in his justifications should be removed (and didn't he block Snakeman with a normal kick? That would apply to his dura).
Btw, i can't remember the chapter but i remember Kata dealing damage to Base Luffy with a kick, does anyone remember the chapter or if Kata was using haki there?
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Nope, but i found it, here.
And here is the only time Kata blocked G3 without haki.
Why would G2 be H7A+? From what i remember from WCI or before it would be baseline unless i am missing something.
Luffy's tiers would be:
Base = 994Mts
G2= 1Gt
G3= 3,9Gts
BM= 4,3Gts
TM= 4,3Gts
SA (strongest attacks)= 15,6Gts
And Round 2:
G3= 4,3Gts
SM= 1Gt
BM= 4,3Gts
SA= 17,2Gts
I think it's strange for Snakeman to be that low, but i don't think it has any feats to compare it to stronger gears.
Upgrading G4 to 6C doesn't affect many characters, but it does affect Cracker so i will talk about him now:
IMO he shouldn't scale to 6C without haki since he only cut Boundman's haki using his own, i think we could downscale him from 6C and put him at H7A+ (nearly 6C since it's a tier via downscaling) or put him above Luffy's normal dura from this feat, which gives him 3,9Gts if Luffy's dura scales to G3.
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I couldn't have agreed more. Good shit.
So basically 3 characters with a 6-C key are
katakuri, luffy, and cracker with haki
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I’m not focusing tbh, so we’re implementing the multiplier again on top of what we already did w/ Hody?
What about Hyouzou? Zoro one shot him while he overdosed even though he took a hit from base Luffy.
What about Hyouzou? Zoro one shot him while he overdosed even though he took a hit from base Luffy.
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Yeah Hyouzou should definitely scale, he took a hit from Gear Second and Luffy himself called him strong.
We don't know how many steroids he ate only that he had multiple that activated his white hair form like Hody. I guess Multiple = 2 so a four times multiplier.
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I remember he ate 1 during the battle against Neptune’s kids, and he probably ate another after so he can transform. 4x is the max I’d go
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It was Gear 2 Luffy.
EDIT: Just saw Emin posted that above.
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Couldn't we just see how much pills hody needed to transform and do the same to Hyouzou?
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We don't know that it took the same amount of pills.
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Everybody’s body is different, we don’t know if it requires the same amount of pills
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Sure, so we need a statement or something on them being as powerful as each other to add that?
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I could see Doffy getting a "higher, possibly 6C with awakening" but i will leave it to Cameron you guys
But if you guys want a 4x that's fine also IMO.
Zoro is 2Gts for that and blocking DJ, quite consistent actually.
But if you guys want a 4x that's fine also IMO.
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