Some John Wick feats in the comics

[The_Impress]

@Chariot I'm not panning the idea of cross scaling due to different mediums, I'm panning the idea because it's clear that the comics aren't being considered by filmmakers while creating the film. They're loose canon at best, and unless the movies are specifically acknowledging the comics, I don't think they should exactly be used since it results in the posiibility of the profiles deviating from the films

@Cropfist So are comics mainstream now? They're obscure as well, especially if they're being used for something other than supporting feats. That's the entire point of my argument.

 

[Chariot190]

>I'm not panning the idea of cross scaling due to different mediums, I'm panning the idea because it's clear that the comics aren't being considered by filmmakers while creating the film. They're loose canon at best, and unless the movies are specifically acknowledging the comics, I don't think they should exactly be used

But you are doing exacty that, if they're canon, and the filmdirectors said so, then they are by defnition, canon. The movies dont need to shove them down your throat to make them canon, it's probably why they're comics to begin with, so the movies can focus on their own story without muddying it up with nonrelevant information that you can find out by reading said comics while also telling stories and things that cant be properly told and shown within a movie without taking away from other more important things.

>I don't think they should exactly be used since it results in the posiibility of the profiles deviating from the films

You'd have a point if any deviations existed, from what I know, no contradictions exist within the story due to comics.

 

[Chariot190]

>So are comics mainstream now? They're obscure as well, especially if they're being used for something other than supporting feats. That's the entire point of my argument.

I think Crop was saying the only reasons your examples arent used is because nobody is even aware of it, and if they were, then theyd be used, not that being obscure means it aint canon.

 

[The_Impress]

Well, I'm still not convinced of the idea that not getting a different key for them wouldn't be a far better alternative in the long run, considering how comics turn movie characters to absolutely unrecognizable beasts since movies don't ever consider them while being produced. I've given my opinion on the matter, rest is upto whoever else approves the change or not

 

[Chariot190]

In the long run, you're talking a hypothetical what if possibility that you have no idea is going to happen and are utilizing one of the most promenent examples of it when no such thing like that is happening (plus i thought legends was a different canon then disney).

If we do what you're trying to say then we'd essentially have to overhaul numerous profiles because maybe a contradction may happen in the future and because of double standards.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Zark makes sense for the examples that he used, but am not sure if this type of convoluted incoherence is a problem for the John Wick verse in particular.

You might be able to find more information in our Cano page.

 

[KLOL506]

Technically speaking the comics take place waaaaaay before the John Wick 1 and 2, so I am uncertain, though Dynamite Comics did intend it to be an official prologue to John Wick's career as an assassin.

 

[The_Impress]

So, according to our canon page, Primary canon will be the movies, with the secondary canon being the comics. The movies will always supercede the comics in the scenario there's a contradiction.

Currently, there are seemingly no contradictions made (since there are no upgrades here, right?), so the feats can be very well added, but in future cases it should be noted that any major changes that contradict the limits as shown in the film, will not likely be added.

@Antvasima Some folks are trying to upgrade the composite James Bond to 9-A based off of explosion calcs found in some comic books. I have a certain nervousness taking chances on these things, especially drawn media, since artistic exaggerations lead to extremely high calcs

 

[KLOL506]

The James Bond profile is a composite one and I think the 9-A was later rectified by Bambu to be 9-B.

 

[The_Impress]

Yes it is, but it is an analogous situation to this one, where someone attempts to use secondary canon sources to revise characters.

Anyhow, that detail is irrelevant anyhow, the point was to show that secondary canon tends to result in significantly higher stats overtime

 

[Cropfist]

There is no inherent problem with those outcomes.

 

[Antvasima]

It is good that you are concerned about that our profiles should be reliable. Thank you for helping out.

So what should we do here then?

 

[The_Impress]

All except the last feat should be fine to add to the profile as justification. There are seemingly no statistic changes or anything.

The last feat needs to be calced first, and, if it is compatible with 9-B Wick, can be added onto as well

 

[KLOL506]

The last feat was calc'd to be 9-B only, but I forgot the link.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the evaluation.

 

[Stalker_Maggot]

Bump?

 

[Antvasima]

What Zark accepted is probably fine, and somebody should try to find the missing calculation.

 

[Stalker_Maggot]

So what was agreed again?

 

[Antvasima]

All except the last feat should be fine to add to the profile as justification. There are seemingly no statistic changes or anything.

The last feat needs to be calced first, and, if it is compatible with 9-B Wick, can be added onto as well

Here.

 

[Antvasima]

The last feat was calc'd to be 9-B only, but I forgot the link.

And here.