Some Info on Luffy, and maybe the general scaling of the rest of the cast that are above him.

[TheBrap]

I don't have much to share, really. This has been sent to me, and I found it odd how this video hits the conclusions that the users on here have been avoiding in regards to One Piece. What do you guys think? Is this accurate? Seth has been pretty accurate with his character scaling and whatnot, so it seemed on point to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmp0wVAvOI

 

[The_Calaca]

Seth isn't reliable source.

While I think that the speed conclusion isn't too far from what the real rating should be, MFTL Luffy is stupid no matter how do you want to stretch it.

He said he's continent level based on Chinjao's calc which, sadly, isn't like that in the numbers.

 

[Js250476]

>Luffy >Stretch Lol

But yeah what Calaca said we don't have a view over Chinjao's feat the best I've ever seen it calced was 6-C+.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Seth is not reliable, he makes a lot of mistakes on almost all of his videos if not all. I don't hate him or want to flame him but he's just unreliable. He thinks the travel speed of Kizaru is his combat speed.

 

[The_Calaca]

He's not wrong on that matter actually. Kizaru's profile is outdated because the revisions for ap are taking too long but it's confirmed that Kizaru attacks at SoL.

 

[Js250476]

For the most part he wasn't to wrong about the speed feats. It's when he started using multipliers to make Luffy MFTL that it was incorrect.

 

[The_Calaca]

Exactly. That's the wrong part.

Luffy really got stronger and faster during his fight with Katakuri, but there's no reliable source on how faster he is from the previous versions.

 

[Js250476]

Also while he's not wrong about Alabasta, another flaw was it took Luffy 3 days to Reach Amazon Lily. And if he was moving at lightspeed he would arrived instantly going by the relative distance between the 2 islands.

 

[TheBrap]

Well, he did say that Luffy taking that long to reach another island is because of the One Piece earth's size. For the most part, his claim about the meteorite and whatnot didn't seem all that false, but I dunno. That's why I wanted to see more opinions on this.

 

[Js250476]

It is true the One Piece Earth is much larger then our Earth. I just don't think the Amazon Lily trip is a accurate way to measure its size ( with the assumption he was moving at lightspeed anyway). Alabasta is a much better way.

 

[TheBrap]

Wasn't it confirmed to be halfway across the globe, though? Amazon Lily, that is?

His video seems pretty accurate for the most part, but the only thing I disagree with is Luffy being 150X continental (hoooboy) I do agree on him being at least continental regardless.

 

[Js250476]

Not sure exactly it's on the calm belt of the Grand Line but exactly where that is on the globe is I'm not sure.

 

[The_Calaca]

It cannot be too far away. The Strawhats were splitted in Sabaody Archipielago which is the last piece of earth before Fishman Island, so it's almost next to the Red Line.

Using that trip as proof makes the distance between Sabaody and Amazon Lily something around 900,000,000km. The IRL Earth's circunference is 40,075km. Which would make the OP's Earth around 22,457.9x bigger than our own Earth.

It'd be around the Sun's circunference but considering how small the distance between the Grand Line and the Calm Belt is, the Earth's circunference is probably MUCH bigger than the Sun's.

 

[Js250476]

That reminds me when Darkanine told me using MHS+ speed for Zunisha's walk would make the OP Earth larger then multiple galaxies.

Calc stacking isn't allowed for a reason lol.

 

[TheBrap]

And what about the consistent light speed feats? I thought "outliers" only apply on feats that are done once for the sake of the story advancing? Luffy dodging Noro-Noro beams, Zoro scaling below Luffy and dodging light, Luffy dodging PX4 and PX5's light speed attacks. Those are consistently repeating feats of him reacting to light. Even in his base form, when exhausted in Marineford he managed to turn his head to where Kizaru was before the light kick actually landed.

As for the continental feat, it seems pretty consistent as well. Him being stronger than Sai and Chinjao, the bird cage scaling to continental for not budging against meteorites, yet Luffy punching down a black knight (which is what the bird cage comes from) in his G2/G3, etc..? I dunno. It seems like they're being downplayed here, but that's just me

 

[The_Calaca]

Cin calculated Luffy dodging the Noro Beams and Zoro dodging Kuma Pad Ho at Sub Relativistic. We don't consider the Pacifista's lasers as real light (yet) and I calculated Luffy reacting to Kizaru at Mach 6600.

I know what you mean, but we had this discussion months ago and we concluded that we need better scans instead of using any statement to upgrade the Earth size. Issho's meteors relies on the planet's size and I don't know where the continental comes from. Seth used Man from Shadows calcs and he's a wanker.

 

[TheBrap]

Okay, and that's pre timeskip Luffy, before using Second gear. What about the gear second and fourth multipliers adding to Luffy's speed? From what I'm seeing, Luffy on here is even slower than Enel's lightning form, despite Luffy reacting to lightning even when a several dozen ton ball attached to his arm. If there was a calc that concluded he's Sub-Relativistic, then it clearly isn't being applied. Besides, reacting at BASE FORM pre timeskip, and now being tens of times ( at least) faster than he was when dodging the Noro Beams, and when he used to scale to Zoro's light timing.

The continental claims on Seth's video were the meteorite's ablation speeds, and the fact that a black knight (the bird cage) could tank them, and that Luffy's king kong gun broke straight through god threads (which should scale to Luffy's G4 via awakening, since according to this website, G4's multiplier is x3? And Doflamingo's awakening wasn't too far below when he tapped into it.) I don't know who "Man from shadows" is, but whoever's doing the One Piece calcs here is downplaying Luffy quite a bit.

 

[The_Calaca]

Speed revisions will come in the near future.

Right now the highest speed feat that Luffy scales to is him reacting to Kizaru which is Mach 6600 but he should be scale way higher due to powerscaling. Likely in the Relativistic ballpark but as I said, that revision needs to be done first.

There's no direct multiplier for G2 and G4 speed tbf. G4 enhances Luffy's power several times, but it says nothing about speed.

Luffy dodging the Noro beams and Zoro dodging the Pad Ho were disregarded due to being inconsistent with the characters having problems to deal with Enel.

Please don't bring the downplay discussion again. We're doing our best to be as accurate as possible and the current ratings for the characters are obviously downplayed because we're not using statements and we're using Real Life Earth's size for OP Earth's size. I know this is incorrect, but there's a plenty of discussions that will change our ratings once again. Right now we're going to discuss about Fujitora's meteors, Dressrosa's size and the Earth's size. This is far from over, so please don't say we're just downplaying just because we feel like it. That's not the case at all and not only me but the rest of the members involved in the revisions don't want to attend this topic again.

 

[TheBrap]

Luffy dodging Noro beams was inconsistent, since he reacted to Enel several times over in skypea, and was physically fast (and strong) enough to swing his arm and repel pure lightning, despite weight being attached to him. Wouldn't the multiplier for Gear Third apply the way Seth said it, though? Since it's, and I quote "the arm of a giant", and giants are stronger than fishmen, who are naturally x10 stronger than humans, wouldn't G3 be an at least 10 times multiplier, and gear forth being another 3x on it?

I'm not trying to insult anybody with the downplay claim, obviously, but there's a difference between an outlier (a feat done once for the sake of plot and never replicated again) and a feat that's not done much. The light speed feats for Luffy were consistently repeating, from Noro beams, to PX5's lasers, to Kuma's paws dodging feat, and supposedly Niji's "tachyon" speed (which is supposed to be an ftl particle from what I read.) Along with the multiple continental scalings from ablation speed meteorites being surpassed by Luffy's sheer physical strength, etc..

For now, MOUNTAIN LEVEL LUFFY seems like an insanely heavy downplay. Even when lowballed, he scales to a black knight in gear second, who could cover up the entirety of dressrosa and tank ablation speed meteorites, etc.. I'm not going to say he MUST BE continental, but still, MOUNTAIN level is way, WAY too low. Far from the character's actual ability, to the point where it seems Luffy's VSBW page is what's more inaccurate .

 

[The_Calaca]

Really not as inconsistent as you think. If Luffy dodges one or two beams that doesn't mean the Noro Beams are slow and cannot tag Luffy ever.

There's no multiplier for Luffy's speed in the official translation, just for AP.

We have no exact multipliers for anything but G4. I think it's true that Gear 2nd is at least 5x considering Luffy stomped Blueno and matched Zoan Lucci. That's a lowball since 4000 Doriki is the number for Base Lucci not Zoan form so yeah, G2 is at least 5x Luffy but we don't consider Doriki as a reliable powerscaling measure nor lineal. G3 is enough to nearly one-shot someone on the G2 level and that's it. It's a crazy feat.

I told you to wait. The profiles are outdated and we're still working on them. I personally cared about the speed feats because I know MHS is a downplay but it's temporary and at the very least the verse is getting upgraded to MHS+ while the best case scenario the Top Tiers end up being Relativistic+.

The meteor's discussion is also gonna be restarted. I'm also working on it and the staff will take part into the discussion because it has been done multiple times in the past. But I don't know the reasons as to why Fuji's meteors should be Continental tho. The highest value I've seen is Country level.

So I suggest you to just wait. The revisions have been going around for more than half a year and we're still far from over when it comes to certain discussions.

Oh, the Continental stuff comes from Seth using a bigger Earth's size. He's probably not using ablation speed but the speed of the meteor being massively above that level with the height of the atmosphere in the planet.

But again, take it with a grain of salt. Seth isn't reliable when it comes to scaling, and this is his first video about OP so we should be more sceptic about it.

 

[Js250476]

Basically please be patient, im also really anxious about the upcoming discussions. but im waiting til they are made, these ratings aren't set in stone at all. trust me.

 

[TheBrap]

Well, look at the sizes of the meteorites dropped on the bird cage, adding the ablation speed on them. A meteorite the size of a football field (about 94 meters) would obliterate about 783.8 km┬▓ of land area.

The ones falling on the bird cage took up an entire city block, SIZE WISE, when it was stopped and cut to pieces, not to mention the bird cage tanked what seemed to be 4 of that same size, and one much smaller one to the side. A single one seemed just barely about half the size of Pica in comparaison to the closest structure near him (being the platform Luffy and Doflamingo were on.) Pica is undoubtedly the size of a mountain. Mountains are usually greater than 2000 ft. Even half that size, Pica's size in the One Piece reddit is apparently 1700 meters, or 4 921 ft and some. Even half a mile sized meteorite would destroy the state of virginia, and one (or four, rather) more than twice as big, falling at ablation size being tanked by the bird cage is nowhere near being a mountain level feat, am I right? And that'd be the black knight alone, let alone Luffy, Doflamingo and above.

Anyway, we'll have to wait and see whenever the upcoming discussions drop. I hope some of these points are brought up and see how they're discussed upon.

 

[The_Calaca]

That was calced due to the surface of every string when compared to Zoro's hand.

 

[TheBrap]

I don't get it? What does that have to do with the meteorite sizes or their effect?

 

[The_Calaca]

The durability of the strings comes from the surface of the meteor it cuts, since that was revised comparing the strings to Zoro's hands the result is now much lower and it would be really high if the meteor is above 6-B or something like that.

 

[TheBrap]

Then, logically, the strings, coming from the black knight should be much weaker than Doflamingo's own, if we assume Doflamingo's at least twice as strong, and adding the similiar to G4 multiplier (which is at least 3X?), making the black knight 6B and Doffy, Luffy, etc much stronger.

Anyway, I hope these things are discussed when the time comes.

 

[PlumCrayfish376]

6-B? Where is that coming from? I don't think there is a implied statement about how stronger Doflamingo is to his Black Knight like with Gear 4th?

 

[The_Calaca]

There's no 6-B feat yet so I don't know where that comes from.

 

[Damage3245]

There's no 6-B feat yet so I don't know where that comes from.

That might be from when the meteor feat was originally calced to be 6-B. So a bit outdated.

 

[TheBrap]

Yeah, I meant the original 6B for the meteorite, which made more sense considering the size of the meteorites and their descending speeds. And Doflamingo should be stronger, no? Black Knight struggled against second gear Luffy, while Doflamingo said his attacks tickle.

 

[Damage3245]

I don't think anyone disputes that Doflamingo is stronger than his Black Knight copy.

And the verse has gone through several revisions since the time when almost everyone was rated 6-B.