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And why would it need to be mentioned? Why exactly would you want speed or any specific stat to be mentioned in legends? That, again, becomes very nitpicky and is asking to be spoon fed info.PaChi2 said:Speed is never mentioned in legends afaik. Trainers and Organizations want to catch Legendaries for their special powers and/or tremendous power and/or rarity (money). Speed is never mentioned.
In a world of tier 7s a tier 6 is a god. But the tier 6 doesnt have to be above every stat.
Mewtwo doing that to Magneton and Gyrados is not the only thing im talking about in regards to this. I mean legendaries reacting to inferior speeds in general.Andytrenom said:Honestly no, lifting up your hand while a beam travel several meters to hit you does not require a massive difference in speed at all. You shouldn't struggle to do something like thus with only a normal speed advantage
It kinda is when only questioning the speed aspect of the claim. I dont mean any offense by that, but it needs to be pointed out.Xulrev said:@Kukui
The profiles' assertion of fodderizing regular pokemon is an inaccurate claim without blitzing feats, by definition of the claim. It's not desperate for PaChi to point this out
Of course and there are also such times where common sense needs to come in and take place as well.Andytrenom said:Honestly you saying "we don't have to be spoon fed" sounds like nothing other than excusing yourself from actually defending your interpretation. Info needs to have a concrete source to be mentioning, just saying "it's obvious" means nothing.
Shaymin is the only one out of the 4 you linked that has that. And even then, at the worst, this only means Shaymin needs a better detailed justification.PaChi2 said:
No, it does. It just doesn't need explicit sources all the time.ProfessorKukui4Life said:Of course and there are also such times where common sense needs to come in and take place as well.
Information does not need a source for literally everything.
So are we seriously saying here that common sense is non-existent and we need a source for literally every single bit of information on literally every level?PaChi2 said:In fact, it needs. With no source to back up your claims you are basically spreading lies. This is more a real life thing than vsdebating thing, tho.
Let me fix this for you:PaChi2 said:Did you read the profiles?
Moltres: (Faster than non-Legendary Pokémon like Charizard to the point of fodderizing.***)
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And I absolutely agree with that. But for some reason, some here are assuming there is no root in the first place when....there is.Darkmon cns said:@4life
I believe there trying to say that common sense does have a place, but it must have a root for making sense, and that you can't just say it makes sense because it dose.
I'll be honest I disagreed with this outlook...but this isn't the place for that, evidence is at least easy to come by so I don't get why it's needed to exist eitherProfessorKukui4Life said:But saying a legendary needs evidence of foddering third stages or any kind of regular pokemon is absurd.
And that is exactly what I ask in the OP.ProfessorKukui4Life said:Hmm. Well going by that Pachi, the way I see it is all we need then is just multiple examples of legendaries foddering non-legendaries in speed to justify that as the standard between the pokemon.
Which if looking at it like this i'll be fine with.
Mewtwo aint a good example when the justification for his speed is:ProfessorKukui4Life said:We have 2 examples so far with Mewtwo and Genesect.
Btw, just remembered Mega Rayquaza blitzing Mega Charizard X with Dragon Ascent in a second. Thats another example.
Wouldn't that be using game mechanics then? The same thing that let's non a legendary one shot legendary like mew 2?)Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:If we'd go by strictly games, just looking at their stats it's obvious that they're superior to regular mons.
When it comes to Pokémon, stats are better suited for determining which attribute that specific pokemon is best suited for, rather than trying to compare them to other pokemon. Pokémon like Crobat or Jolteon are very fast rather than being powerhouses or tanks, Slaking is physically strong rather than fast, etc.Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:I'm taking about overall stats.
One, that's literally what I said. You used it as a means of playing off the feat entirely as simply being an "artistic technique". I was simply making sure you were aware that it was relevant to speed.PaChi2 said:Aerodactyl had no trouble keeping up with it. Did you see the scan? Aerodactyl had several wings in that drawing. Its portrayed as fast and nothing else.
Also you missed the point by a huge margin. Im asking why Legendaries have to fodderize in speed the other pokemon when they arent portrayed like that.
Plus that.Everything12 said:Weren't Alakazams group completely stomped by Groudon off screen in Mystery Dungeon?