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Haxes are coming later on a new thread. The thread became too clutterI guess he creates a universe(Underworld) of souls that is now considered 5-D HDE. Yes, it looks like Low 1-C. (Correct me guys If I'm wrong)
But the problem is that in the revision you opened earlier, including 5-D HDE, it was closed without acceptance in haxes. Or am I missing something?
For one, the imgur you sent above makes no mention of higher dimensions, just says multiple dimensions. The only time a higher plane is ever mentioned is the scene with Illias, which again, has absolutely nothing to do with the Underworld.Now it’s like you’re forgetting the whole narrative purpose of the 8th sense is solely revolving around death and how humans interact with the UW…
you’re quick to disassociate the UW with the 8th sense but last thread you were arguing an 8th sense user who was in the UW couldn’t regen a body… this honestly sounds like intellectual dishonesty.
we know very VERY clearly that the UW is the dimension the 8th sense allows one to access.
Based on my experience from the previous revision, I can't say that haxs are correct. But if 5-D HDE was accepted, Hades' Low 1-C looks fine.Haxes are coming later on a new thread. The thread became too clutter
Tier 1 and canon is accepted
Literally what you just did but ok.I’m not having this whole debate again.
You’re straw-manning me beyond belief.
when an 8th sense user dies they go to the UW, this happened in Classic and LC.
you’re arbitrarily disassociating Illias from every other 8th sense user. It’s dishonest and we know it’s not what happens.
That doesn’t make any sense, Ilias says death is the ascension of the soul. And even if that were the case, 8th sense users STILL go to the UWIirc it was only 8th sense users that was accepted as tier 1 on that crt.
That thread was only for the 8th sense, abilities and canon aside, it wasn't for anything else.That doesn’t make any sense, Ilias says death is the ascension of the soul. And even if that were the case, 8th sense users STILL go to the UW
If it wasn't accepted make a separate thread for that Stek
8th Sense users can freely move between the realms, they aren't forced there via the cycle of life and death or something. This is even shown in the chapters with Asmita and Ahimsa. Just because 8th sense users can go to a higher plane doesn't necessarily mean every place they go to is a higher plane by default, especially in this case, where the higher plane in question this ability has merit from is completely unrelated to the Underworld.That doesn’t make any sense, Ilias says death is the ascension of the soul. And even if that were the case, 8th sense users STILL go to the UW
And so can finite 3-D places within the regular world (all over Next Dimension), as I said this isn't really a line of reasoning consistent with the story itself, and if you want to call it their lower dimensional aspects or avatars or whatever to reconcile it without making the regular world 5-D, I don't see why the same can't be said for the Underworld instead of defaulting it to the highest possible interpretation.You do know that 8th sense gold souls were in the UW at the wailing wall right? I know you say that the golds regenned their bodies, but regardless of if they did or didn’t, before they did, their souls were still in the UW. My point is that the UW CAN contain that souls of 8th sense characters, like Ahisma, who as we all know, is bodyless
As accepted in this thread, all souls of 8th sense people in SS are 5D hde.
As shown here, Hades created the Underworld and sustains it with his Cosmo/Life.
The Underworld can contain souls of dead people, including 8th sense users.(if somebody asks for scans, I will be very sad. You have been warned)
Its a 5d Construct.
Hades is thus Low 1-C.
Scales to all god tiers, manga
Agrees:Hasty,Georre,Hiryu
Disagrees:Unshakeable,SsjGemini
We see Shaka and Ilias do the same.
there’s no distinction anywhere between this so called “mastery” that somehow changes how the sense functions mechanically.
And yes holding 5D souls means the realm is 5D.
cubes don’t fit in planes.
This seems to make sense to me
It’s explained very clearly how the 8th sense allows users to perceive higher dimensions, and the dimension they’re referring to is the UW.
again whether or not the soul itself is 5D or just has the ability to perceive and access a 5D realm willingly isn’t really relevant, we know the UW is that 5D plane that8th sense users are able to perceive and access.
it scales to Hades at the very least.
No, but that's what this thread is trying to argueNeutral, I'm following the discussion until I make a decision. Has Underworld been accepted as a 5D construct?
This scan also seems to support Hades' Underworld being a higher dimension. https://imgur.com/gallery/Tg5VaAsI kind of have to agree because I don’t think cubes can fit inside planes, likewise 5D souls can’t fit inside less than 5D planes.
the worst possible interpretation I can see is that the 8th sense doesn’t grant HDE but allows 8th sense users to perceive higher dimensions, and the UW is that dimension.
so worst possible case I don’t see how Hades escapes being upgraded.
Also thisThis scan also seems to support Hades' Underworld being a higher dimension. https://imgur.com/gallery/Tg5VaAs
Regulus destroyed Radamanthys' divine soul, the scale for AP seems simple to me. But I will wait for the blog before I assume anything.I still dlmt see how this scales to AP, just range and Soul Manipulation.
wait for my cosmology blog
I'm waiting for Part 2I just wanna say I do have a very indepth cosmology blog ready at hand. It will address this, and give higher dimensional AP scaling too.
Not when every second of the story itself grossly contradicts the notion of these souls being actual 5-D objects or these characters affecting anything on a 5-D scale. I presumed HDE just meant being able to exist in a higher dimension but equating this to them being literally 5-D sized doesn't work with all other context around it. And are we seriously arguing Low 1-C Gold Saints now?Regulus destroyed Radamanthys' divine soul, the scale for AP seems simple to me.
I am not talking about just any soul, but a divine soul. And honestly, characters like Shura EPGA and Aiolia EPG could easily have a Low 1-C level, so...Not when every second of the story itself grossly contradicts the notion of these souls being actual 5-D objects or these characters affecting anything on a 5-D scale. I presumed HDE just meant being able to exist in a higher dimension but equating this to them being literally 5-D sized doesn't work with all other context around it. And are we seriously arguing Low 1-C Gold Saints now?
I am not generalizing Regulus to all golds, but he is still an 8th Sense user, with a flagrant AP feat.I wouldn't attempt to generalize Regulus with the other golds, that's not appropriate whatsoever
that wasn't a response to youI am not generalizing Regulus to all golds, but he is still an 8th Sense user, with a flagrant AP feat.
Sorry for the misunderstanding then.that wasn't a response to you
you're not the one crying absurdities like "Are we seriously arguing for low 1-C Gold Saints"
not that that in and of itself is enough to invalidate any sort of upgrade, but the only relevant argument here is whether or not the UW is 5D.
Killing someone with 5D HDE isn't a low 1-C feat, the standards are quite clear a universe sized R^5 structure is needed to be affected/destroyed/created.
He pieced his heart with a hole in his chest with Lightning Bolt.I am not talking about just any soul, but a divine soul. And honestly, characters like Shura EPGA and Aiolia EPG could easily have a Low 1-C level, so...
Rhadamantys' body isn't 5-D, and neither his soul. The scene with 8th sense Regulus becoming one with the nature of Earth in itself seems like another clear contradiction to the idea their souls are 5-D sized, because I'm pretty sure this would mean they're infinite on a 3-D or 4-D scale.I am not generalizing Regulus to all golds, but he is still an 8th Sense user, with a flagrant AP feat.
or... Regulus did that with a power that's not the 8th sense?Rhadamantys' body isn't 5-D, and neither his soul. The scene with 8th sense Regulus becoming one with the nature of Earth in itself seems like another clear contradiction to the idea their souls are 5-D sized, because I'm pretty sure this would mean they're infinite on a 3-D or 4-D scale.
If he has the 8th sense which supposedly makes souls 5-D (infinitely big) then there should be no place in the story for something like that scene.or... Regulus did that with a power that's not the 8th sense?