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Small Bleach Revision - Mind Manipulation for the current explanation in Byakuya's profile, and an addition for Zero Squad, and Soul King CRT

AppleLord

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In a new Q&A answer #321 the author Kubo gave us this answer regarding Byakuya resistance feat against The Love hax:

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As you can see, it is not Byakuya's own resistance, but his standard "Oken" gear that blocked the hax.

The feat is already accepted all that is needed is to change the wording on his profile.

Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Resisted the effect of Book of the End, he also resisted both The Fear and The Love)

Proposal:

Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Resisted the effect of Book of the End, he also resisted both The Fear and The Love with Oken),

Oken has two feats after Pepe hit it with his hax twice:

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In addition, Renji, Byakuya, Ichigo and Rukia get Resistance to Mind Manipulation per having Oken (Clothes, standar equipment), Ichibē, Shutara, Oetsu, Kirinji, Kirio, get Resistance to Mind Manipulation with their own Oken (Bones) and the Soul King possibly Resistance to Mind Manipulation with Oken. (Ichibei says Oken is a Soul King aka Reio power, but we all know Soul King was cut to pieces and they stole his powers from the CFYOW light novels, so they could very possibly be his real bones, so I propose a "possible" Resistance to Mind Manipulation for the Soul King Reio per Oken, and his body part such as Pernida who show to have bones.)

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all seems gucci. Btw shouldn't this apply to pernida as well considering he's the reio's left arm and has a skeletal structure?
 
Rebirth said:
all seems gucci. Btw shouldn't this apply to pernida as well considering he's the reio's left arm and has a skeletal structure?
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The reason I left out the body parts is because they don't share the original mind of the Soul King. Kubo explained that Pernida can take an imperfect humanoid form, but it's only the hand. So those bones could be part of his power to take on an imperfect humanoid form and not the original Soul King. It was too vague to add at the time, but if everyone agrees, I'm sure it can be added.

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AppleLord said:
The reason I left out the body parts is because they don't share the original mind of the Soul King. Kubo explained that Pernida can take an imperfect humanoid form, but it's only the hand. So those bones could be part of his power to take on an imperfect humanoid form and not the original Soul King. It was too vague to add at the time, but if everyone agrees, I'm sure it can be added.

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I think it'd be fair to give him a possible rating at least. Him possibly generating new bones (which should technically still be reio's as he's just a fragment) and him still having the original bones don't have to be mutually exclusive.
 
Reio35 said:
Yhwach should also be given resistance stated in the novels pepe's wouldn't do anything to him
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that could be due to him being on a completely different league of power than pepe. Although you could argue SK yhwach has it due to having reio's main body inside of him
 
Reio35 said:
Yhwach should also be given resistance stated in the novels pepe's wouldn't do anything to him
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Rebirth said:
that could be due to him being on a completely different league of power than pepe. Although you could argue SK yhwach has it due to having reio's main body inside of him
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Arcker123 said:
Yhwach absorbed the soul king so he should get it.
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Here is the novel translation I don’t remember the chapter so I can’t quote the official viz translation yet.

(If someone remembers the volume tell me and I’ll search for it.)
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If this is accepted and if you all agree, we should update the following profiles.

Resistance to Mind Manipulation per having Ōken (Clothes, standar equipment).
Resistance to Mind Manipulation per having Ōken (bones), Zero Squad Members.

Resistance to Mind Manipulation per having Ōken (Soul King body parts with bones), Quincy members,
Any suggestions to change the descriptions are welcome.
 
AppleLord said:
If this is accepted and if you all agree, we should update the following profiles.

Resistance to Mind Manipulation per having Ōken (Clothes, standar equipment).
Resistance to Mind Manipulation per having Ōken (bones), Zero Squad Members.

Resistance to Mind Manipulation per having Ōken (Soul King body parts with bones), Quincy members,
Any suggestions to change the descriptions are welcome.
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And empathic manipulation
 
Deceived said:
Its listed as Empathic Manipulation

"Can take control of his enemy's body (via The Love), Can launch a heart-shaped projectile and anyone hit by this heart falls in love with PePe"
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Limited Blood Manipulation (Using Blut, PePe can flood his blood vessels with energy to reinforce them), Can take control of his enemy's body (via The Love), Can launch a heart-shaped projectile and anyone hit by this heart falls in love with PePe,
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His profile has it with Blood Manipulation?
 
AppleLord said:
His profile has it with Blood Manipulation?
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No it doesn't, there's a reason why the Parenthesis start and end with the text that's referencing the Blood Manipulation.

Its only talking about the Blood Manipulation, nothing else.

The "," signifies that start of the new ability/text, which is the Empathic Manipulation from The Love.
 
Even with that, since there is no ability listed before the explanation of Pepe's Love and what it does, the profile seems to just indicate on first viewing that the Love itself works through blood manipulation. A quick edit should add in the Empathetic manipulation before the explanation so confusion like that is easier to avoid.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Even with that, since there is no ability listed before the explanation of Pepe's Love and what it does, the profile seems to just indicate on first viewing that the Love itself works through blood manipulation. A quick edit should add in the Empathetic manipulation before the explanation so confusion like that is easier to avoid.
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Should it not have properties of Mind Manipulation? In CFYOW novels, in one of the passages Hisagi thinks about how horrible the experience was under Pepe's control. Been aware of the actions without been able say or do anything against that power, doesn't that count as mind manipulation? Is very different from Eida's Empathetic power from Boruto where the characters can still think, and speak in their original mind state without been able to harm her. The Love makes people do anything Pepe wants.
 
AppleLord said:
Should it not have properties of Mind Manipulation? In CFYOW novels, in one of the passages Hisagi thinks about how horrible the experience was under Pepe's control. Been aware of the actions without been able say or do anything against that power, doesn't that count as mind manipulation? Is very different from Eida's Empathetic power from Boruto where the characters can still think, and speak in their original mind state without been able to harm her. The Love makes people do anything Pepe wants.
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But it's based on emotions so maybe limited empathic manipulation
 
AppleLord said:
Should it not have properties of Mind Manipulation? In CFYOW novels, in one of the passages Hisagi thinks about how horrible the experience was under Pepe's control. Been aware of the actions without been able say or do anything against that power, doesn't that count as mind manipulation? Is very different from Eida's Empathetic power from Boruto where the characters can still think, and speak in their original mind state without been able to harm her. The Love makes people do anything Pepe wants.
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Empathy Manipulation in of itself is also recognized as a sub power of Mind Manipulation, it's just hyper-specific so it still falls under that umbrella. The reason why we end up listing them separately is a bit due to our own impractical standards but also because just because you resist your emotions being manipulated that doesn't mean you'll be able resist your mind being manipulated. So for now, we will just stick with Empathetic manipulation.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Empathy Manipulation in of itself is also recognized as a sub power of Mind Manipulation, it's just hyper-specific so it still falls under that umbrella. The reason why we end up listing them separately is a bit due to our own impractical standards but also because just because you resist your emotions being manipulated that doesn't mean you'll be able resist your mind being manipulated. So for now, we will just stick with Empathetic manipulation.
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Disagree Pepe's love is not just controlling emotions he has complete control over mind body and soul. Byakuya stated pepes power isn't really love it just allows him to control anyone at will in which pepe himself agreed.


He also stated his power can take over gigi's zombies which are already under her full mind control


Keep in mind some of her zombies are completely dead and for his love hac to be effective means it's more than just emotion manipulation.
 
Currently, Pepe's power is accepted as Empathetic Manipulation, there will be a separate thread needed if you wish to have it classify as anything else. Since the purpose of this thread is to just give resistance to the currently accepted power that Pepe possesses thanks to Oken, any further talk about Pepe's Love being anything else will be derailing.
 
Reio35 said:
Disagree Pepe's love is not just controlling emotions he has complete control over mind body and soul. Byakuya stated pepes power isn't really love it just allows him to control anyone at will in which pepe himself agreed.


He also stated his power can take over gigi's zombies which are already under her full mind control


Keep in mind some of her zombies are completely dead and for his love hac to be effective means it's more than just emotion manipulation.
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Can you can make a small thread about this before this one is finished to avoid having to unlock Yhwach’s and Ichigo’s profiles twice for any new additions if they are indeed accepted.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Currently, Pepe's power is accepted as Empathetic Manipulation, there will be a separate thread needed if you wish to have it classify as anything else. Since the purpose of this thread is to just give resistance to the currently accepted power that Pepe possesses thanks to Oken, any further talk about Pepe's Love being anything else will be derailing.
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Okay i see
AppleLord said:
Can you can make a small thread about this before this one is finished to avoid having to unlock Yhwach’s and Ichigo’s profiles twice for any new additions if they are indeed accepted.
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Sure
 
Pepe's hax was stated to be more potent than Giselle's, which has a statement of completely breaking one's mind in the CFYOW novel.
Pepe should definitely be revised in the future.

But other than that, OP seems reasonable.
 
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