Slight Madoka Magica revision

[Kaltias]

Sayaka should have summoning even in her magical girl form, seeing how she summoned Oktavia during Rebellion.

https://youtu.be/dDYnj5V6sOU at 0:32

Madoka, in her 2-A key should have type 9 immortality (by virtue of being a purely conceptual entity that lives in a higher plane of existence) and immunity to soul manipulation (as she destroyed Gretchen, which is her soul and she didn't had any problem)

Here are the scan and gif about it


type 9


Madoka kills Gretche

 

[SomebodyData]

I guess I agree with the changes, tho I doubt the Sayaka change is notable enough that you needed to make a thread for it, so you can just change it now.

 

[Kaltias]

I added it just because I was already making a thread, so I was like "why not? Let's add it"

 

[Kaltias]

How many people needs to approve this before it can be applied?

 

[SomebodyData]

Normally 4-7 ish, but this isn't really some hidden/obscure info or that debatable, I was actually gonna add the other abilities today but then saw this thread, so now I think we have to wait.

 

[Kaltias]

So I basically delayed the upgrades by making a thread about it?

 

[SomebodyData]

yeah lol

 

[Kaltias]

Forgive me Madokami, because I have sinned.


Ok, i'll stop with the derailing now

 

[Kaltias]

Bump

 

[Kaltias]

Sorry for the double posting, but I noticed one thing. Can I downgrade Melissa's speed? She is currently MHS+ scaling from Homura's MHS

 

[SomebodyData]

Does she? Yeah go ahead, when even Kyoko doesn't have it, Melissa doesn't deserve it.

 

[Kaltias]

Done. Speaking of Kyoko, she was stated to move at "lightning speed", but that's from Tamura, so...

 

[SomebodyData]

Hmm, depends on which version of Kyoko, if she is not different to the main one it should scale, and that's only assuming it isn't hyperbole (so essentially it depends on the context as well).

 

[Kaltias]

It was the timeline where she razed cake factories (can't send a screen now)

 

[SomebodyData]

Ah ok, yeah, no. That Kyoko was op.

 

[Kaltias]

Okay no, it was the TV series one. But this alone makes the statement unreliable, given the amount of flowery language here

 

[Kaltias]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that this seems reasonable.

 

[Elione-Arisu]

Everything seems fine, the Sayaka thing is nothing really notable tho.

 

[Promestein]

Well... Madoka's true form exists on the same level as Goddess Madoka. That's not Type 9, I don't think.

 

[Kaltias]

Madoka's true form is just the concept tho. Goddess Madoka has avatars, but that's about it.

9: Transcendental Immortality: Characters whose true selves exist independently from the plane where they can be killed. For example, a conceptual being doesn't die even if its body, soul, etc will be erased from existence.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Does Madoka really have Type 9? She could easily be sealed and depowered by a comparable being.

 

[Kaltias]

The Law of the Cycle still exist in the new world. Homura took only the memories that Madoka had when she was a human, as well as her body. The conceptual part of Madoka is still "alive".

 

[SomebodyData]

^It's sort of like that. Homura essentially took the existence of Madoka out of the Law of Cycles, separating it into 2 different things (Note that before this, the Law of Cycles = Madoka), which reminds me her Power Drain ability should be elaborated, as technically she took the powers through what I assume should be considered as a very high degree of conceptual manipulation (Separating Madoka, her power, and the Law of Cycles) or some other hax.

 

[Kaltias]

So, @Prom @Matt

Do you still disagree with the immortality?

Also, is the immunity to soul manipulation ok?

 

[Kaltias]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Wikia is glitchy. It does not always inform users about new responses.

 

[Kaltias]

Should I remind them about this thread on their walls?

 

[Antvasima]

You can do so if you wish.

 

[Promestein]

Eh, I'm fine with Type 9.

Less certain about immunity to soul manipulation. Pretty sure it's more just acausality.

 

[Kaltias]

I'm a bit uncertain about it as well, but there is the fact that Gretchen was formed together with the Law of the Cycle, so it implies that Goddess Madoka actually lacks a soul.

It's almost like if they were separated right after Madoka's wish.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Gretchen is born from the Grief Seed that Madoka's Soul Gem would turn into when she was overwhelmed by despair/used too much of her power. Goddess Madoka destroying Gretchen does seem to imply she destroyed her own soul and no longer has one to manipulate

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I think that the changes can be applied then.

 

[Kaltias]

Ok. Can someone unlock Madoka's page for me?

 

[Kaltias]

Nevermind, I need to do something first. I'll post again when I can edit

 

[Antvasima]

I will temporarily unlock the page. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Looks good for me.

 

[Kaltias]

Done. This can be closed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Kaltias]

You can close the tread if you wish. There isn't anything else that needs to be discussed here