Skill Debate: Hayato vs Fugil

[Ionliosite]

He is replacing his opponent's actions with his, he is cooperating with his opponent's movements and then Lux dominated his movements over his, I don't see the difference with Ryusui Seikuken, he is doing exactly what you show me what it is and what I read from there.

Yes, it is mind reading, I consulted many admins on the matter. And why do you think Aeril is angry? She never was angry because her sisters died, all the emotion that shows in that quote is that she was surprised at Fugil's existence.

She was still hearing the conversation from there, yet again, why are we discussing senses? It's not like its really skill.

I suppose?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

No, he just tricked her into doing what he wanted, didn't actually fight with her physically, read her rythym and match it, and then take up the space of his opponent so that the opponent lacks the strength to counterattack. It wasn't even a CQC battle.

No but like, that's not that hard to figure out? You know the usual "Bad guy kills MC's son. Son comes 15 years later to fight him. Bad guy so you've come to avenge your so". That's not really mind reading as he can't do it to everybody, that's just, it's very predictable the reason why she's fighting him.

Idk, in a fight, while it is not purely skill, senses do matter quite a lot. If you fight an old man with very good hearing, he can do stuff like gather info based on the sounds, or have no blind spots, feel things you don't etc. So like the senses themselves aren't purely skill, but the things they warrant are very skill based.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

"Bad guy kills MC's son. Son comes 15 years later to fight him. Bad guy so you've come to avenge your so".

He's his own grandson?

 

[Ionliosite]

He didn't trick Lisesharte tho, what he tricked was the Abyss which he was fighting in close combat (he couldn't even come close to Lisesharte in their match because she could one shot him with any attack). What's the difference between knowing what his opponent will do, continue with what his opponent is doing almost like he was lured and then overcome his opponent?

Read the rhytm = knowing what his opponent will do.

Match their rhytm = do what his opponent is doing (Lux even changed his defensive position to an offensive one despite the battle being a one-sided defensive battle for him)

Take up the space of his opponent so that the opponent lacks the strength to counterattack = The Abyss couldn't counter the last attack

Here is another one:

However, (It was about time to see through its intentions, huh) The ability which could be called the essence of Lux Arcadia suddenly broke its equilibrium. The life-or-death crises which he had overcome on countless occasions. The Drag-Ride's armor which he was familiar with to the extent that it was mistaken as a part of his body. His body moved even beyond thinking and reflexes. At this moment ―― Lux Arcadia's scenario was completed. By a hairbreadth, he slipped through the alloyed claws drawn out and casually stabbed his blade to the Gargoyle's chest in perfect timing. "Guih…!?" To the sudden counterattack of Lux who had been devoting himself into a one-sided defensive battle, the Gargoyle showed agitation for the first time.

She is not fighting him for that reason at all, she's fighting with him because he wants to delete the memories of everyone in the world regarding Avalon, and Aeril wants to stop that because that would mean Fugil taking over the world again.

I mean, in a close combat match, why would you need to look for 4KM away? Or to hear the conversation of someone in another city? Those don't really help in combat. Otherwise, as I said in onw of my firsts posts about senses, Star Wars characters should be above them due to sensing people from interplanetary distances.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes but all of it seems like mostly a mind game, basically them getting outsmarted by a strategy Lux developed to win the game. Whereas Rysui Seikuken is this. It focuses on leaving him unable to produce the strength to attack or counterattack due to you taking his space disrupting his flow of battle. So if i had to say it, it'd be like comparing Ryusui Seikuken to a strategy in a game of chess or to Light's fight against L. Both can be worded the same way but one requires strategizing and mind battles, one is purely martial arts.

If that's the reason how come when fugils says its for revenge he guesses right?

That maybe not, but hearing electic signals and the air pressure hitting your skin just before someone punches you are very combat applicable.

 

[Ionliosite]

Earl, at this point you're just grasping for semantics, both are doing the same thing at the end of the day.

Because Fugil is not guessing why she's fighting, he is just reading her thoughts and she was thinking about her sisters and wondering if she could use revenge on their name as a source of power to fight Fugil.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That's putting it very very loosly. A mind battle and space occupation are immensly different.

Hmm? I missed that part in the quote. Though that still feels a bit off from reading the origin of Sho's heart.

 

[Ionliosite]

It's not only mind battle, they are very clearly fighting physically, he knows where his opponent is going to be and what his opponent is going to do.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Sure that's just prediction. He's still not matching his fighting with his opponent nor denying his opponent's moves or attacks by taking his space rendering him unable to fight back.

Besides mind battles are usable in combat, we even discussed "psychological warefare" up above.

 

[Ionliosite]

How is he not matching his fighting with his opponent when he is doing what the opponent wants him to do almost like following him? Taking space rendering them unable to fight back? Similar to this?:

Although Lux was able to fly, as expected the man, who stuck on the back of Lux who could not gather speed, raised his voice and laughed. Far from turning around and taking his opponent's back, it looked like running away by flying straight was the best Lux could do. The lean man who saw that became more arrogant. "Fall down unsightly! You fallen Prince!" The moment when the man who pressed hard on Lux's back was about to slash with his blade―― "Wha!?" The <Wyvern> of Lux who had his back turned made a somersault and arrived exactly at the back of the man flying straight on. As a result, before he knew it the man found himself before the wall surrounding the practice field. Thus ―― in order to avoid a crash, he could not help but suddenly stop (he was compelled to a sudden stop).

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I could keep arguing but eh, not worth it here.

That's ugh...just dodging(?), not exactly what kenichi is doing.

 

[Ionliosite]

Then what is Kenichi doing? Overtaking his opponent's actions?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Then what is Kenichi doing? Overtaking his opponent's actions?

He takes up the opponent's space. Example you can't kick if im too close, you can't move, if my foot is already where you planned on putting yours that's the kind of thing. It constantly takes up the opponent's space.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

He's going to suffer when I finish the series that I'm back to working on.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

When you finish the series let's debate xD

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Anyway Ion, any conclusion yet or more debate?

 

[Ionliosite]

To me, what Kenichi does is the same thing I'm showing you.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

One is more martial arts the other is more mind stuff, but eh fair enough let's move on from this point.

 

[Ionliosite]

So now what?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Idk, who wins?

 

[Ionliosite]

I think so far has been a tie in all but one, where I just said "I'll look for more feats".

Let me see. Seikuken is superior to Ruten, but no one has dodging skills even comparable to Lux. Anything else?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I believe there are some more wins on Kenichi currently:

• Senses (hearing and sight).

• Info analysis i believe (might be mistaken here)

• Attack Reflection (Sieg can counter while by surprise)

As for dodging feats, lemme see, the best i can find are:

Continues to fight Apachai ubothered whilst also dodging and reflecting all incoming gunfir and disarming the wapons from a distance.

Can dodge with milimetric precision.

Fight several Supermaster class opponents all while dodging rain and barrages of arrows from another supermaster class archer. The arrows of which can change trajectory mid air.

Sick ass escape from shackles and gunfire. Continuing the escape without the useof her arms and sick ways to free herself.

Basically toys with 3 supermaster class opponents at the same time using 1 hand while talking on the phone completely unarmed.

There might be some more, but that's all i can find currently.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

But they do have the opposite of dodging to a pretty high degree. The ability to make dodging impossible:

His strongest move is impossible to evade even by someone like Junazard.

his bunshin and possible attacks are over 15, rendering him in "Checkmate" (no way out).

such a great sword play that there are no gaps to escape.

 

[Ionliosite]

About senses, pretty sure I already said it isn't really skill (like I said).

Pretty sure Info Analysis is the same, if you're refering to "reading the origin of Sho's heart", he is just reading emotions.

Attack Reflection is the one I accept with Senjin and Seikuken. And I'm still searching for that one

Something I'm pretty sure in which Kenichi can't surpass Bahamut is in throwing feats, because Krulcifer has a lot of those. If you want to discuss this.

As for dodging:

• I mean, Fugil continued fighting againts Mel when he was getting atacked by Greifer, Magialca and Rosa all of them from different diretions and he was reflecting their attacks with centrifugal force that he himself was creating.

• Fugil has feats of dodging with the most minimal motion while frozen on ice.

• I think I already answered this one, is similar to Lux dodging attacks from multiple directions all of them faster than him that were also homing him and some of them without seeing them.

• This is a worse version of Fugil dodging while frozen in ice, specially because his opponent was Singlen. Also, she thicc

• I mean, Lux was toying againts three of elite Drag-Knights from the capital of the New Kingdom (aka better than elite Drag-Knights since they are from the capital) while being at a massive dessaventage of speed (like Lux's Wyvern is already slower to regular Wyverns and it was even slower due to the massive overwieght they put it and it was even described that his movements were in slow speeds to them) even getting atatcked by both close and long range. And at one point he was talking to Krulcifer while all of them were frustated of him, so yeah.

And none of them even compares to Lux dodging several hundred of attacks from his opponent that was fast enought to almost blitz him.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I will answer tomorrow

 

[Ionliosite]

But they do have the opposite of dodging to a pretty high degree. The ability to make dodging impossible:

His strongest move is impossible to evade even by someone like Junazard.

his bunshin and possible attacks are over 15, rendering him in "Checkmate" (no way out).

such a great sword play that there are no gaps to escape.

I mean, Quick Draw was impossible to block to AUTOMATIC defenses, almost sure is better than this.

I mean, Lisesharte's Legion are better since they are 16 and they also home in her opponents (although, Lux was capable of dodging this, but his dodging skills are pretty bs).

Well, Krulcifer did something like starts spinning in circles around Lux (with speed that Lux's eyes couln't follow) basically giving him no room to escape (however Lux was capable of dodging and blocking).

I would say that this would be naturally impossible to dodge, since they are an attack 10x faster than you, 16 attacks all from different directions and that can home you, and someone spinning in circles shooting you with such speed that your eyes cannot follow. But as I said Lux's dodging skills are pretty bs to dodge all of that.

I will answer tomorrow

Ok.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

If automatic defenses can't keep up then they aren't all that good. But Junazard is laughably above God Hand and he still cannot evade that specific move. It's just 2 attacks but it's like he's completely surrounded by hands from all directions (pretty sure lux has never dealt with anything like this).

Hmm, home in? I assume those are attacks? If yes, im pretty sure an attack is not better than over 15 clones of someone far more skilled than you using grabs and throws from all different directions with no way to escape (God Hand did actually escape but that's by dislocating his arm, not by dodging).

About that, well...this is what Kenichi's daily training looks like.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I already explained why it is skill (with the old man example). Senses are the ability to perceive information on a very detailed level gaining info your opponent is unable to access to.

Info analysis is skill doe. Just look at ikki

Seikuken is not Attack Reflection, Nirvana no Canon (Yes that's what Siegfried's technique is called) is AR.

• Fair enough

• Dodge while frozen? What level of frozen exactly? And minimal motion doesn't always mean milimetric precision.

• Fair enough.

• Fair enough, it was more of a badassery featYes she is thicc

• Hmm he still had everything else though, whereas Shigure is a weapon expert yet she had no weapon and was using only 1 hand while worrying about them not breaking the phone. Im not saying Shigure's feat is more or less impressive, they're just different.

Yeah i probs won't find anything like that so Fugil takes the dodging.

 

[Ionliosite]

They aren't that bad, here is an example of them:

Before Lisha had finished shouting, a line of light flew to <Fafnir> and an explosion occurred. Boom! With a roaring sound, the storm and impact reached up to Lux and the others who were away. "Krulcifer-san!" Lux could not help but raise his voice, and headed to her rescue with his <Wyvern>. But, "I remember having said that you do not need to come. Lux-kun." Suddenly, Krulcifer's cool voice tickly struck Lux's ears Soon after, a needle-like shooting released from <Fafnir>'s <Freezing Canon> pierced the Golem's frozen chest. "Eh…?" The moment when the white smoke which was obscuring the field of vision cleared up, it was reflected on Lux's eyes. She was unhurt. On the front of <Fafnir>, seven octagonal shields tinged with a bluish-white light were unfolded. "That's another special armament of <Fafnir>, <Auto Shield>." Such an explanation flew from Lisha from behind. "A defense type armament which automatically protects the main body in response to an enemy's attack. It is said to be several times harder than an ordinary barrier." An armament which symbolized solid scales symbolizing the gigantic dragon Fafnir. Lux couldn't help but feel admiration before her ability to easily use up the two special armaments.

Here is Lux bypassing the shield:

"HAAaAH!" The moment Reload on Fire's effect ran out, Lux activated a secret technique of Drag-Ride controlÔöÇÔöÇQuick Draw. He surpassed the deployment speed of Auto Shield's automatic defense, and landed a slash of the great sword on Fafnir's shoulder.

The one who has dealt with something similar to that is Fugil that was getting attacked by dozen of people simultaneously and he was capable of blocking them all.

Well, yeah, I guess this is more similar to Philuffy's End Action-similar technique, is basically similar to End Action but with punches, kicks, grapples, throws, including the Pile Anchor (the anchors she has, she can throw multiple of them). But think his is superior in this.

Fair.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Uhm...lux just outsped it....

What is end action?

 

[Ionliosite]

About senses, ok, but people like Singlen don't get far behind like he was capable of detecting the threads that are invisible to the human eye that sorround the area and yet he was capable of detecting all of them without seeing them.

I'm not saying Info Anaylisis is not skill, I'm saying they are equal here.

Oh, ok, Nirvana no Cannon is superior for the moment.

It was frozen the whole area he was in, the whole armor including his wings, so Fugil had basically no mobility.

The water current that was controlled with maximum output was giving a boost to Leviathan's movement. The movement of kicking on the ground and dashing, the movement rotating the body to dodge. The instant sparks scattered from the exchanged attack, Bahamut's armor froze. When its back wings were frozen and it fell, the frozen ground clung on the frame and stole its mobility. Leaning's water control. It not only treated water as a weapon for offense and defense, it also freely controlled liquid and vapor, cornering Bahamut that was in Over Limit state. But, although Fugil was being pushed back, there was no hesitation in his control of Bahamut. He avoided lethal attacks with the best movement at the fastest speed and launched counterattacks. Even while his armor was smashed and gashes were carved onto his body, he was dodging with the shortest motion and thenÔöÇÔöÇ

So about throwing feats, someone far inferior to Krulcifer was stated to be able to attack from 300 meters while never failling; its basically impossible if this is true, because his only fight was againts Lux, and dodging GG. But Krulcifer has a feat of attacking from several hundred meters and hitting her opponent with no problem.

One of the best of Krulcifer's feats is this:

Right after that, dozens of reflective shots that were fired following that formula attacked Mel like a storm. "ÔöÇÔöÇÔöÇÔöÇ" The back wings, every kind of join parts, and at the end, concentrated shooting in one spot that pierced the barrier. All of Mel's option in escape and dodging were predicted, and the vital spots on her whole body were sniped. And then the finishing blow finally pierced the Force Core on her shoulder without even an inch of deviation.

Basically hitting he opponent with dozens of shots, all of them ricocheting and they hit the vital spots of Mel without even an inch of deviation even when Mel was moving and trying to dodge the attacks.

 

[Ionliosite]

What is end action?

End Action

"End Action Perpetual Links……is it." At the other side, when the Wyverns of the mercenary unit that was attacking the Academy's school building and girl dormitory were felled, Airi who was taking shelter in the building's cover muttered quietly. "What is it Airi? That'sÔöÇÔöÇ?" Noct beside her asked her. After Sania destroyed Noct and Tillfur's Drag-Ride, she left finishing them off to the force following after her and flew towards the practice ground. Lisha and others returned at that timing and they somehow escaped danger butÔöÇÔöÇ. "It's one of the hidden techniques of a Drag-Knight that Nii-san uses. Normally, when Drag-Knights issue instructions to the control system, they can only give a fixed consecutive order. ButÔöÇÔöÇ" After saying that, Airi looked up to the sky above the far away practice ground before continuing. "That interval is erased by controlling the Drag-Ride with only mind control operation right after moving with body control operationÔöÇÔöÇ. Before one action is over, a new order is given with alternate control operations without a pause, making it possible to attack in succession infinitely. That's what this technique does." "Perpetually, you say?" Noct asked with an expression that was half-disbelieving, but Airi nodded without hesitation. "There is an end to it. But, it's not when the attack is interruptedÔöÇÔöÇ" Airi asserted with an expression that was filled with conviction. "It will be when Nii-san, has finished predicting everything until the end."

There is more explanation to add it, but this is what it basically is.

About Philuffy's:

ÔöÇÔöÇ*GAKIiIN!* The consecutive blows of Philuffy that didn't even give the time for breathing were approaching with a roar. Unlike Lux's secret techniqueÔöÇÔöÇEnd Action, Philuffy's attacks weren't done with no pause in between. Using armor to punch, kick, grapple, throw, including the Pile Anchor to snipe and reeling in, or perhaps Philuffy herself would move in high speed. Her great variety of attack methods almost gave no room for counterattack or defense.

Its not the same as End Action, but basically the amount of attacks is.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ok but how did he do that?

Oh, that well ugh, Hayato has the best info analysis around, he saw through Ogata's true nature with a single glance when everyone else couldn't so he refused to take him as a disciple (he basically pulled a Master Oogway on Ogata). There is also this.

Hmm i can't seem to make full sense of it, so it basically slowed down the movement of the armor. And Fugil is still getting hit there.

For shooting stuff, in terms of range you're gonna have to cut Kenichi some slack cus no one uses gunfire, but there are archers who can: She is skilled enough to singlehandedly snipe down a helicopter with one shot and shoot an arrow through the pilot's hand from a incredibly far distance immediately after, right before the copter crashes. As for the riccosheting stuff i guess, this feat should suffice.

As for that end action, why is that similar to the 15 afterimage grabs? It's just speed.

 

[Ionliosite]

He did it the same way as I told you he did other things before, with the sound of the rain that allowed for him to predict her.

On the other hand Singlen didn't move at the slightest from his position while he was closing his eyes quietly. "I don't think it's possible but, your so called seriousness is not about using the same trap the second time right?" "-…….!?" Singlen drew out his Sword Device and activated his Divine Raiment. At the same time countless blades of water pillar that rose up from the whole hangar destroyed Yoruka's trump card. "How, did you know?" Yoruka stiffened with a dumbfounded expression. The thick mist cleared up at that moment and Singlen showed his grinning face. Kumo no ItoÔöÇÔöÇit was a special armament that laid out unseen steel strings in the surroundings, a trap that was laid around in order to be a conductor for Spell Code. All of them were instantly cut apart. Even though Singlen was inside a dim darkness with thick mist filling the room, he cornered Yoruka accurately

Pretty sure this is just he saying that he won't train him, its just like Fugil saying someone has the capacity to become a Hero. I mean, pretty sure we said that Kenichi's characters are better in hearing, but I don't see how hearing every cell in the body works, its like Yoruka reading the conciousness of his opponent?

Not exactly, basically he was handicapped to be frozen basically cutting his mobility. No, it says "Even while his armor was smashed and gashes were carved onto his body, he was dodging with the shortest motion and then", it doesn't say that he is getting hit, it says that he has his armor damaged from before, he and Singlen had a long fight before this point.

I guess in range is fine. The riccosheting stuff from Kenichi seems more like reflecting the bullets rather than them launching them, but even if count them, Mel was moving and trying to dodge but Krulcifer was still capable of hitting her, its not like Mel was static just like the guys they hit.

Because End Action are several dozens of attacks at the same time, that's why I said this is the most similar thing that I remember, but I still consider it doesn't compare. I eamn, other thing could be Fugil dodging an explosion just by weaving through the gaps of that bombardment, they said it should be naturally impossible to do that.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Since we already established the hearing is won by Kenichi let's move on here

Well there is a reason he didn't train him. he felt the sinister look when no one else couldn't he sensed he would become evil (although he's a pretty lit dude lol). As for the "hearing every cell in your body" it's just that he can analyze his capabilities, cus the dude was trying to hide that he was a master class.

"Gashes were carved onto his body". Also it's not full freezing, cus he's still moving, so that's why it's a bit...messed up.

It's just the same thing in reverse, she's shooting the bullets to have them reflected where she wants. These guys are taking already shot bullets and reflecting them to hit targets. About the movement well again, the same thing in reverse, they aren't hitting very mobile targets but they themselves are very mobile. Also keep in mind this fight was done while fighting Apachai Hopachai, not while being calm, it was a feat so casual they literally weren't even paying attention to the rest.

It is still just speed though, it actually says that.

 

[Ionliosite]

And there is a reason why Fugil train or recognize some people as vessels of kings or heroes, or whatever they call it; and if we are talking about what they will become Singlen basically knew what was going to happen to Lux, I think he said once to him that he already knew his fate.

Again, Fugil already had fought againts Singlen and all the other Paladins (like thrice) by this point, his Drag-Ride is damaged because of all the previous fights in a row. Even if not fully frozen, his mobility should be trash, since the area he was in was on ice, the armor was on ice, the wings were on ice, basically everything was freezed.

No, its not the same thing in reverse. She is trhowing the attack and make it bounce, they are just reflecting the attack, you need more precision to make the first shot and make it bounce to hit your opponent than just reflect another person's attack. They being very mobile doesn't make it better, they are hitting people that are not moving, while Krulcifer is hitting someone moving, is much more difficult hit a moving target than a target that is just standing there. Krulcifer's feat was againts Mel from the Seven Dragon Paladins, Fugil said she was one of the best Drag-Knights in existence, so her level is pretty high.

So dodging attacks faster than himself in the dozens is not a skill feat Its not just speed, he is actually using skill to make that, he needs to think to make a move and then immediatly make another one, its basically a combination of speed and skill, like the four of Lux and Fugil's Hidden Techniques are skill.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I believe that's different from knowing the true nature of someone (good or evil) when 5 other people with insane info analysis couldn't.

Ok but that's still a bit unquantifiable because we do not know how much mobility he really had. Besides, it should've just made it harder to move which is the reason he was moving as little as possible.

Why is it harder? Reflecting a shot attack into a direction you want and shooting a bullet so that it reflects. And again, while hitting a moving target might be harder, we're talking about a feat being insanely casual, like so casual its almost insignificant to them, they're not even looking at their bullets or their targets yet they land with pinpoint accuracy, whereas Kruc was focusing. Though why would Fugil scale to this aiming feat?

Unlike Lux's secret techniqueÔöÇÔöÇEnd Action, Philuffy's attacks weren't done with no pause in betwee.
Using armor to punch, kick, grapple, throw, including the Pile Anchor to snipe and reeling in, or perhaps Philuffy herself would move in high speed.

It says "it wasn't done with no pause in between" and "Philuffy herself would move in high speed". It's just speed not "no pauses in between".

 

[Ionliosite]

That doesn't particulary mean that his Info Analysis is better, just that the others aren't that good to begin with. I mean, Singlen knew things that would happen to Lux even after his death, and he was the only one who knew who Fugil really was.

Still there is the feat of him dodging the attacks of his opponent even with almost no mobility.

Because the first one is just reflecting it back to your opponent, in the other you need to aim to a place and make sure it bounce to hit your opponent, that's why is harder, the difference is the Kenichi one is like someone threw an eraser towards me and I bounced it back towards him, the Bahamut one is I threw the eraser to a wall and then it bounced to the guy I wanted even when he was moving. Its still inferior due to the other reasons, I would say they can make better since it was casual, but it still isn't the same thing. Fugil would scale since he is better than anyone with anything, he knows how to use Fafnir because that's pretty much his whole deal, that he knows how to use every single Drag-Ride better than those who created them, that's why the Xfer gave him Ouroboros. And I could ask the same thing about Hayato sacling to those feats if we go by that.

As I said, its more a combination of skill and speed.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Actually their info analysis is greater than that of someone like Koukin, who looked at someone and deduced this. Also know what would happen seems like just prediction, not analysis of someone's true character.

Ok but almost no mobility would still fall to "milimetric precision dodging".

So ugh, wanna settle for "comparable" here then? Fugil having an advantage but nothing too great. (Though having been a basketball player i can tell you, it is not a thing. It being harder to cause something to reflect/bounce than it is to bounce it yourself....i've tried.) As for Hayato being better at everything than anyone is because he scales in such a way that it makes literally every feat im saying...insignificant in comparison.

But you can't prove how much is skill and how much is speed

 

[Ionliosite]

How is their info analysis better than Koukin's? Is there something that outright says that or what? I think I found something similar to seeing the true nature of someone:

"I think that master is perhaps acting only for her own sake you know?" "Is, that so……" Because she was expressionless and taciturn, Philuffy was thought to be really unconcerned with her surrounding, but actually she was really good at seeing through people's true nature. In other words, her judgment could be trusted. Regardless of whether Magialca was good or evil, in any case she was someone they couldn't let their guard down against. That seemed to be the correct stance to take.

Pretty sure this is dodging skills and we decided Fugil is superior here, but, yeah, I would say the movement is minimal but we can't be sure about how minimal it is.

I would still say Fugil is a little bit superior, but I guess comparable is fine.

But you can't prove how much isn't GG