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Itachi and the Raikage being LS are contradicted in the manga though.Well basically every near LS or LS statement in the databooks (Itachi, The Raikage, etc)
The databooks also say world and the ones that don't are contradicted by black zetsus statement in verse
I seem to recall A needing Mabui’s jutsu to be launched at LS speeds, so-
And surviving moving at such speeds was a major feat for characters as durable as Tsunade and the Raikage, so expecting us to accept sick dying Itachi as capable of moving at such speeds is ridiculous lol (It'll only apply to attack speeds anyway, but still).I seem to recall A needing Mabui’s jutsu to be launched at LS speeds, so-
What?, No, we can't ignore logic and say that Momoshiki posseses a ability which can null her Inmortality/regeneration, when there is no indication that he has the ability to do so. Also, we can't just assume that he has resistance to Kaguya's ashbones (corrosion Hax) without any feats that proves it.He is stated to be more powerful then her and a greater threat then her this is not about a fight on VSbattles wiki this is in verse
Travel speedI seem to recall A needing Mabui’s jutsu to be launched at LS speeds, so-
Nope Itachi actually has a FTL feat in the novelsItachi and the Raikage being LS are contradicted in the manga though.
Not saying they should accept them I am saying its a double standard to use some stuff from the databooks while ignoring other stuff that has small amounts of support in the mangaWhy should we accept every LS statement while they don't have feats? Why should we ignore all their feats and simply scale them via statements?
Also he has multiple hax that she doesn't resist like Transmutation its just showing that in verse he is treated as a greater threat/stronger then herWhat?, No, we can't ignore logic and say that Momoshiki posseses a ability which can null her Inmortality/regeneration, when there is no indication that he has the ability to do so. Also, we can't just assume that he has resistance to Kaguya's ashbones (corrosion Hax) without any feats that proves it.
When?he is treated as a greater threat/stronger then her
I’ve seen the calc for that, it’s literally just perception speed lmao. But hey, if you wanna say Itachi can perceive FTL things, go for it.Nope Itachi actually has a FTL feat in the novels
But It's not in character for him.Also he has multiple hax that she doesn't resist like Transmutation its just showing that in verse he is treated as a greater threat/stronger then her
It's just Tsukuyomi's time dilation. It has no bearing on his movement speeds whatsoever.Nope Itachi actually has a FTL feat in the novels
That is literally support for itI’ve seen the calc for that, it’s literally just perception speed lmao. But hey, if you wanna say Itachi can perceive FTL things, go for it.
Kaguyas scroll, by himself, by the novels, by SasukeWhen?
Never said "they're stronger"Kaguyas scroll
He thought he could beat Naruto and Sasuke too, try againby himself
Not canonby the novels
Hypothesis founded on nothing, this was before they were even shown to be canonby Sasuke
Its not bearing it shows he has potential for FTL thingsIt's just Tsukuyomi's time dilation. It has no bearing on his movement speeds whatsoever.
What we know its not in character against people who resist it (naruto and sasuke) and we saw him in one fightBut It's not in character for him.
Greater threat then Kaguya, She made a army to fight him, afraid of himNever said "they're stronger"
He knew Kaguya try againHe thought he could beat Naruto and Sasuke too, try again
Is canonNot canon
Founded on nothing actually it is founded on what he found in kaguyas dimensionHypothesis founded on nothing, this was before they were even shown to be canon
Lol, I can't see Momo being anywhere stronger than Kaguya.Never said "they're stronger"
He thought he could beat Naruto and Sasuke too, try again
Not canon
Hypothesis founded on nothing, this was before they were even shown to be canon
They were all slower then himSoL would've ripped everybody's body except the Raikage's so
Never stated to be Momoshiki and Kinshiki that he referred to.Greater threat then Kaguya, She made a army to fight him, afraid of him
He knew Naruto and Sasuke keep goingHe knew Kaguya try again
Is retconned by the animeIs canon
Scans?Founded on nothing actually it is founded on what he found in kaguyas dimension
Bro this is a stronger version of Itachi who had the statementItachi being able to see things moving at FTL speeds does not in any way support the idea that he can move that fast while coughing up blood and struggling against CS1 Sasuke
Permission to handle it?This needs a discussion rule.
That changes literally nothing. Perception speeds =/= combat speeds or movement speeds.Bro this is a stronger version of Itachi who had the statement
Literally stated in the animeNever stated to be Momoshiki and Kinshiki that he referred to.
So he knew how strong they were for no reasonHe knew Naruto and Sasuke keep going
Still on the official timelineIs retconned by the anime
Literally where he went to get the scrollScans?
Go ahead sirPermission to handle it?
Its one JutsuThat changes literally nothing. Perception speeds =/= combat speeds or movement speeds.
You've got permission to propose one for consideration.Permission to handle it?
Again, the Tsukuyomi feat would only apply to his perception speed AT BEST, and that's only with the assumption that time isn't dilated for him as well within Tsukuyomi.Bro this is a stronger version of Itachi who had the statement
Go ahead sir
Give me 30 minutesYou've got permission to propose one for consideration.
I feel like just straight up saying that Momoshiki and Kaguya are relative to each other should fix both sides of the problems since no one will be fighting over it.You've got permission to propose one for consideration.
But which form of momoshiki thats a problem right there (I don't care as long as at least fused momoshiki scales to Kaguya)I feel like just straight up saying that Momoshiki and Kaguya are relative to each other should fix both sides of the problems since no one will be fighting over it.
Hmmm, I mean if you agree that Fused Momoshiki scales to Kaguya, then we have no reason to say that base Momo scales. Just go Base Momo < Fused Momo = Kaguya. No more fights if you satisfy both sides.But which form of momoshiki thats a problem right there (I don't care as long as at least fused momoshiki scales to Kaguya)
I think this could work honestly.With the whole Momoshiki v. Kaguya issue, I feel like it’d be much less problematic to just scale them both above Toneri and call it a day.
Something from Scaling him to current naruto who in turn scales to the last BSM narutoI think this could work honestly.
Kaguya should scale above Toneri based on her being decidedly above Hagoromo, who's stronger than Hamura, who should be comparable to Toneri.
We just need to figure out a justification for Momoshiki to scale to Toneri, and we'll be set.