Shulk VS. Rimuru Tempest

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Does Rimuru resist paralysis?

Yes

 

[Everything12]

What type of Concept does Alvis get his Abstract Existence from. Also Alvis range is the same as Arceus and Arceus has enough range to deal with the Imaginary Stomach Dimension, let's not start that one again.

 

[Rathidzeo]

So if Rimuru can't hurt Alvis, he can revive Shulk infinitely.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He can just incap

 

[XDragnoir]

"Embodies the Beginning and End of Time and Monado itself"

 

[Rathidzeo]

Does the match end with incap?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Does the match end with incap?

Yes

 

[Thatsafloridathing]

He can just incap

Alvis can still recreate Shulk indefinitely.

 

[Rathidzeo]

Rimuru FRA

 

[GLHF22]

He omnipresence is on multiversal scale? Still cant covers Rimuru type 3 though, because 1 of His Body is in His stomach(Imaginary infinite space)

If that's the case, He might not be able to affect Alvis either due to him scaling to a countless amount of universes, similar to Arceus.

Omnipresence =\= embodiment.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He can just incap

Alvis can still recreate Shulk indefinitely.

There is nothing to recreate, as he isnt dying

 

[Bware1]

The thing is Alvis can act independently of Shulk's actions. Rimuru needs to affect him as well, Incapping Shulk doesn't stop the fight.

 

[Thatsafloridathing]

No, I mean as in he can just create exact copies of Shulk.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

One more, can someone please answer Shulk's mental resistances, and resistance to durability neg, before we can actually start debating what Rimuru actually starts with.

 

[Rathidzeo]

The thing is Alvis can act independently of Shulk's actions. Rimuru needs to affect him as well. Incapping Shulk doesn't stop the fight.

Oh, then I vote inconclusive.

 

[GLHF22]

What type of Concept does Alvis get his Abstract Existence from. Also Alvis range is the same as Arceus and Arceus has enough range to deal with the Imaginary Stomach Dimension, let's not start that one again.

Because people keep ingoring that Imaginary space is a locked space where Rimuru rule over it, and yeah entering Imaginary space is the same as suicide.

 

[Everything12]

First things first does Alvis Concept exist beyond the multiverse, will destroying the Multiverse destroy his Concept. If not then the Concept is Type 2 and Rimuru can't do anything.

Second thing can Alvis through being at all points of Time Incap Rimuru before Rimuru Incaps Shulk.

Three does Alvis have a range that exceeds Rimuru's because that's all you need to bypass Rimuru's stomach and deal with his Acausality Type 3

 

[GLHF22]

Don't forget Rimuru passively copy and negate your power.

 

[Thatsafloridathing]

First things first does Alvis Concept exist beyond the multiverse, will destroying the Multiverse destroy his Concept. If not then the Concept is Type 2 and Rimuru can't do anything.
Second thing can Alvis through being at all points of Time Incap Rimuru before Rimuru Incaps Shulk.

Three does Alvis have a range that exceeds Rimuru's because that's all you need to bypass Rimuru's stomach and deal with his Acausality Type 3

Alvis does exist beyond Xenoblade's multiverse.

 

[Rathidzeo]

Can Rimuru copy and negate Alvis's powers?

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Oof, was gone for a bit and all this happened. My god this thread is going very fast.

 

[Everything12]

Theirs also the fact that Alvis as a Abstract Existence Type 1 that is Omnipresent throughtout his Multiverse, which is the same size as the Pokemon verse, Rimuru also has to deal with the same problem he did against Arceus.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

One more, can someone please answer Shulk's mental resistances, and resistance to durability neg, before we can actually start debating what Rimuru actually starts with.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Can Rimuru copy and negate Alvis's powers?

Yes, he pierces many layers of info analysis and resistance to power mimicry.

 

[GLHF22]

Theirs also the fact that Alvis as a Abstract Existence Type 1 that is Omnipresent throughtout his Multiverse, which is the same size as the Pokemon verse, Rimuru also has to deal with the same problem he did against Arceus.

Why i don't see AE in Shulk profile?

Again omnipresence =\= embodiment.

 

[Rathidzeo]

Alvis is beyond the multiverse, so can Rimuru still copy and negate his powers?

 

[Everything12]

Alvis is Shulk's Sword, he has his own Profile and just think of him as the GER to Shulk's Giorno. Also the Omnipresent is more talking about the large size of Alvis' existence that makes it impossible for Rimuru to effect even like 1% of Alvis.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yes, as long as he uses them.

 

[Rathidzeo]

@GLHF22 Alvis is the one that is abstract.

 

[XDragnoir]

Has Rimuru ever copied another 2B power/bypassed 2B resistances?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Has Rimuru ever copied another 2B power/bypassed 2B resistances?

Does he even resist that? And he's the only 2-B in his verse.

 

[GLHF22]

Has Rimuru ever copied another 2B power/bypassed 2B resistances?

That doesnt how Hax works.

 

[XDragnoir]

Any reason to Rimuru being able to copy 2B powers then? It seems very NLF without feats.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Any reason to Rimuru being able to copy 2B powers then? It seems very NLF without feats.

That's not.. NLF though? They're the same tier, and until proven otherwise he doesn't even resist it?

 

[JoshSSJGod]

I'm confused, I was gone for a bit so can someone explain both character's wincons and how they can do 'em

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

One more, can someone please answer Shulk's mental resistances, and resistance to durability neg, before we can actually start debating what Rimuru actually starts with.

 

[XDragnoir]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4193652?useskin=oasis

Not only Shulk's 2B is above Rimuru's in AP, but Rimuru has no feats of copying another 2B, so i don't think he should be able to, also isn't Turn Null the only 2B thing Rimuru has?

 

[Thatsafloridathing]

One more, can someone please answer Shulk's mental resistances, and resistance to durability neg, before we can actually start debating what Rimuru actually starts with.

Oh yeah sorry about that, iirc Shulk can resist mind manipulation that's able to affect 3 targets.

 

[Rathidzeo]

I know that Shulk has resistance to mind manipulation, but I don't know what scale it's on.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

One more, can someone please answer Shulk's mental resistances, and resistance to durability neg, before we can actually start debating what Rimuru actually starts with.

Oh yeah sorry about that, iirc Shulk can resist mind manipulation that's able to affect 3 targets.

Okay, Rimuru absolutely blasts through his resistance. All of his mental passives are up in the 150,000 - 750,000 range.