(Shovel Knight) Can these be considered Lighting?

[KittBetelgeuse]

I've been recently completely baffled because in every single one of the shovel knight profiles, the stats are COMPLETELY eyeballed (specially for shovel knight himself, while all the other profiles are scalated from his), and the singlest calc ive ever found for the game is just comparing shovel kngiht to a door to check his size.

The biggest guess that itches me the hardest so far is eyeballing shovel knight's speed to canonballs, but he and the rest of the knights could be MUCH faster than that (just of the top of my head, reacting to Plague Knight explosions already makes it higher). but here's the matter at hand, I present you Phantom Striker


Shovel Knight Boss 13 - Phantom Striker No Damage Magic


This guy is one of the wandering knights,with the particular ability of wielding electricity as his main mean of attacking, the thing with this electricity is that it comes from weather manipulation (the guy can summon storms,wind and lighthing), so the main question here is, Can his regular electricity attacks be considered Lighting speed/real lightings? a.k.a. giving this the Laxus treatment.


In any case, I'm also adjunting a video to Specter Knight's fight against him, where Phantom Striker has new attacks which also involve even MORE directly summoning lightings as the first thing he does.


Shovel Knight Specter of Torment The Lich Yard Speedrun and Phantom Striker Boss Fight

I'll also be coming back with a similar topic about the DC because that single 8-C tier everyone has comes most surely from eyeballing the bubble dragon of the first stage.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think we can indeed consider it legit lightning.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Agreed. It does seem to be actual lightning being harnessed.

 

[KittBetelgeuse]

would it count too towards his electricity shooting sword strikes? I did a small calc for specter knights initial cloud to ground lighting dodge, which gave about mach 1 on average but mach 9 on a high end, but if the electricity that comes from his sword attacks count for the same speed, by virtue of being much closer, would make them anywhere from HH to low MHS+

 

[Dark649]

I don't know, i think the lighting feats needs to compared and calced, but i ask if there are feats in this verse higher than building level?.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

iirc Spectre Knight created a thunderstorm...

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The verse is way stronger than Building level.

 

[fandom_12cheeper]

Even lowballing,Black Knights meteors alone should be at least MCB using just baseline ablation speed.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

IIRC, Saikou calced a City level Shovel Knight feat before.

Making a storm can vary greatly. I've calced storm feats as high as Continent level to freaking Planet level, but usually average at around Small Town level to Country level. If anyone has a clip, I can calc it later tonight.

 

[KittBetelgeuse]

I don't know, i think the lighting feats needs to compared and calced, but i ask if there are feats in this verse higher than building level?.

just for start, the serum supernus destroyed the tower of fate, which is anywhere from town to mountain level if we go eyeballing around, and the shockwaves were felt on the first town,which is at the other side of the map . considering the serum supernus is directly made from the esscense of each of the knights, it scales to all of them

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Ultimate Potion is an excellent piece of scaling.

 

[KittBetelgeuse]

IIRC, Saikou calced a City level Shovel Knight feat before.
Making a storm can vary greatly. I've calced storm feats as high as Continent level to freaking Planet level, but usually average at around Small Town level to Country level. If anyone has a clip, I can calc it later tonight.

Damn the message i wrotte suddenly dissappeared, I'm having to find everything again

First, https://youtu.be/sLARziaZKcg?t=1259 Phantom Striker turns a small valley dark and stormy, he does his usual ligthing summoning and wind manipulation thingy too, this battle occurs in the zone near polar knights stage and propeller knights stage

Second, on the same video, https://youtu.be/sLARziaZKcg?t=452 Baz summons ligthing upon himself, the darkness/clouds extend enough to darken the tower of fate, this battle occur past the second town, in the zone between Mole knights stage and treasure knights stage

Third, the lich yard, https://youtu.be/5e-_vCeLjaM?t=164 starting from this zone, everything gets dark and only the lightnings can be used to see, when we reach the boss, Specter knight is revealed to not only cause the storms darkness but the lightnings as well (when hes low on health, he'll make everythign dark by summoning the storm), its worth stating than the Lich Yard is much bigger than a town, not only as seen in the map i posted earlier, but also in specter of torment, the first phase of the stage is a town, and specter knight can even slash his way trought the buildings

Besides that, there should be a calculation for the destruction of the tower of fate, I agree with matt, since this was caused by the Ultimate potion(serum supernus), which was made from the esscense of each of the knigths, and besides that, the remnant of fate, which is basically the magic of the tower itself, InstaKOes shovel knight in the ending, but Shield knight is able to resist its attacks for several minutes, and even SURVIVES the destruction of the tower, a feat that would also scale to Specter Knight as he has fought Shield Knight in the past

 

[Dark649]

Bump because the verse is higher than possibly Supersonic Building level because of the feats showed here, also we need to list Donovan, who was Specter Knight former life.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I think it is legit lightning speed

 

[KittBetelgeuse]

Bump because the verse is higher than possibly Supersonic Building level because of the feats showed here, also we need to list Donovan, who was Specter Knight former life.

he could be added as a different key for specter knight

 

[Dark649]

He could be added as a different key for specter knight

Yes, but seems everyone scale to one another since they fight with eachother and the best feat seems to be the storm one.

 

[KittBetelgeuse]

He could be added as a different key for specter knight

Yes, but seems everyone scale to one another since they fight with eachother and the best feat seems to be the storm one.

its a little convoluted, basically the only difference between donovan and specter knight are the powers they have, since donovan can perfectly fight Shield Knight, but specter Knight loses against shovel Knight, so theyre all roughly on the same levels since shovel knight and shield knight are comparable (shield knight having just much superior durability)

 

[Dark649]

Yes, mostly everyone is one the same tier and speed, but at slighty different grades.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah. If Specter Knight is High 7-C, then even the strongest characters should be At least High 7-C, likely higher.

 

[KittBetelgeuse]

Yeah. If Specter Knight is High 7-C, then even the strongest characters should be At least High 7-C, likely higher.

there's also one thing Ive been wondering if it would count as a feat, the Map in the game is clouded from the begining as sort of an extention of the enchantress power, and the clouds disperse away as we defeat more knights, so either each knight holds about that much power to hold the darkness around them, or we atribute this power feat to the enchantress (wich just by eyeballing would count as something like island level or higher, at least when she has all her knights)

 

[Dark649]

The storm feats can range from Low 7-C+ to High 7-C or much higher, we must have a clear visions of the size of the storm for further confirmation, the only scaling is for bosses [Normal scale] and higher for the Protagonists (Which are Shovel, Plague, Specter and maybe King Knight [Not if his story is a what if] and Final Bosses (Enchantress and etc.)

 

[KittBetelgeuse]

The storm feats can range from Low 7-C+ to High 7-C or much higher, we must have a clear visions of the size of the storm for further confirmation, the only scaling is for bosses [Normal scale] and higher for the Protagonists (Which are Shovel, Plague, Specter and maybe King Knight [Not if his story is a what if] and Final Bosses (Enchantress and etc.)

Well, getting a scale of the entirety of the storm is a bit tricky because they always happen Inside the stage, However, If we go by the map, every time Shovel knight defeats a couple of the other boss knights, this happens:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ2CbKX3Fwc&ab_channel=GameDevReferences

That last example comes from Shovel Knight defeating Black Knight, and its more or less the same, so with the movement of the clouds we can get more or less how much each knight covers, also worth considering that each stage is larger than a small town, and that the whole map is covered in clouds from the begining, and is really large

 

[Dark649]

At least Large Town level, likely higher with Subsonic speed Massively Hypersonic reactions/combat speed should be fine for the profiles for now.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I thought we only use Low 7-C for an uncalced storm?

 

[Dark649]

Yes, but this one has a much bigger range and power than small town level.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It seems like a fairly easy feat to calc, wouldnt it be better to do that then to just eyeball it?

 

[Dark649]

There is this one, but i'm not sure if it is accurate.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I mean you can get it evaluated or have it recalced, couldnt hurt

 

[Dark649]

Ok.