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It says this on the multipliers page, but isn't it literally accepted on Raiden's page?
So shouldn't this quote on the multiplier page be removed?
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Shouldn't this be removed? (MGR)
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So shouldn't this quote on the multiplier page be removed?
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I agree in removing it from the profiles and downgrade the verse
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You're conflating the speed multiplier with the AP multiplier, they're two different things.
It is literally exactly as much as it says. Flick that bad boy on and the enemy movements and more slow to exactly as much as it says it does. 2x by default, 10x in RM mode.
The time dilation isn't the attack multiplier. One is straight up undeniable, and is iffy so we don't use it already.
But speaking of the AP shit..... lmao lol, rofl, I'm removing that shit with Armstrong and RM, it's made up, not even real.
This isn't me being hyperbolic, it comes from a thread that people didn't want to accept that hey maybe Raiden has RPL or accelerated growth (ain't they gonna be shocked when they find out he's stated to have that far back as MGS2?) so to try to excuse him suddenly boxing Armstrong, they just went "oh he used RM lmao", which, he didn't. Actively shown to not be using it in cutscenes, QTEs, and the ****** up part is you CAN enter RM anyway and you do a shit ton more.
The wiki basically just made up a completely random baseless excuse that we know for a fact isn't the case. Blatant misinfo.
But hey at least this validates me in whoever decided that was the best route to take as being actively spreading misinfo.
It is literally exactly as much as it says. Flick that bad boy on and the enemy movements and more slow to exactly as much as it says it does. 2x by default, 10x in RM mode.
The time dilation isn't the attack multiplier. One is straight up undeniable, and is iffy so we don't use it already.
But speaking of the AP shit..... lmao lol, rofl, I'm removing that shit with Armstrong and RM, it's made up, not even real.
This isn't me being hyperbolic, it comes from a thread that people didn't want to accept that hey maybe Raiden has RPL or accelerated growth (ain't they gonna be shocked when they find out he's stated to have that far back as MGS2?) so to try to excuse him suddenly boxing Armstrong, they just went "oh he used RM lmao", which, he didn't. Actively shown to not be using it in cutscenes, QTEs, and the ****** up part is you CAN enter RM anyway and you do a shit ton more.
The wiki basically just made up a completely random baseless excuse that we know for a fact isn't the case. Blatant misinfo.
But hey at least this validates me in whoever decided that was the best route to take as being actively spreading misinfo.
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Why would I be mad, it's two different things, we technically don't use it on his profile. The only thing that irks me is how we just lying he used RM against Armstrong.
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Okay then, I just got confused. Thanks for the clarification.
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TBF on this, I am pretty sure Raiden literally tell Doc to turn off his inhibitors literally against Monsoon.
Like, he literally used RM actively against Monsoon directly.
Here at 6:05, we see Raiden use RM BEING ACTIVATED against Monsoon and some unfortunate poor bastards getting sliced in half.
I probably agreed on the AP multiplier removal though
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Yeah what about it? He keeps them off the rest of the game too, Dok calls him in Hostile Takeover and asks if he wants them back on and Raiden says nah keep them off he gets off on the pain.
Yeah? You're scripted to use RM against Monsoon, it's when you unlock it and you're forced to do the entire fight in it?
Dude, there ISNT an AP multiplier on his profile to begin with.
Ngl, idk what you're trying to say this is all just obvious facts, none of these would effect the thread even if OP didn't get confused.
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This is just a Q&A thread, I was just asking a question, it's not a crt.
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TBF, it kinda doesn’t help that we have RM turn on before we fight off against Monsoon in a cutscene too. it isn’t a complete unfair assumption that RM was used against bosses after Monsoon, but anyway, fair enough on not being listed on Raiden’s profile.
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It has nothing to do with being fair, it simply isn't true.
You can't state that as fact, he used RM against Armstrong, nd that is why he suddenly got stronger.
He might have entered it here and there within the fight sure (under player control), (he absolutely didn't against Sam btw) but under no circumstances can you say he did the whole fight with it because we KNOW, this isn't up for debate, that multiple facets of the fight were done out of RM.
Like, basically every single QTE and scripted sequence, so the very things we're saying he used RM for, he didn't.
Honestly thinking on it, maybe I should throw that on the profile, if the only reason we don't do it is because of a made up headcanon, and one that's actively not true
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i think the argument was in regards to Senator Armstrong fight, but we both know that he need Sam’s sword and RM against the badass that is Senator Armstrong.
We saw at 16:00, his eyes emitted a red glow after gaining Sam’s blade to use against Armstrong.
After all, his original HF sword was not cutting it against Armstrong and it did break as well against his nanomachines
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So headcanon. They do not state he needed RM. They show he didn't. And if you the pyer want to enter RM, you can, and you like do a massive amount more. The innate boost has nothing to do with RM though.
There isn't a "and" there.
You do know his eyes glow red constantly and does so about, because I counted and this will be in the CRT, 39 times BEFORE getting RM? Hell even in gameplay his eyes flash red EVERYTIME he drains electrolytes, does a Zandatsu, and even in cutscenes like against Blade Wolf.
Yeah his eyes flash red, that has nothing to do with RM tho.
RM on the other hand has an aura, that's what sets it apart, every single time he enters RM he gets an aura, both in gameplay, and in cutscenes, even the funny meme cutscene at Solis when Blade Wolf wouldn't give paw.
He don't got an aura? He ain't in RM.
Yeah so? They explain in detail that facet.
A weapon is not RM.
We are flatout lying and spreading bullshit, I'm not going to argue this with you because there's nothing to argue, I already know for a fact he didn't use RM for two very obvious reasons, feel free to argue it if you want but that's just going to look bad in the future.
Was it you, I don't remember who was involved.Jesus Christ that was unhinged 2021 reaper
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Raiden's "Reactive Power Level" (Metal Gear Rising)
So i'm making this thread to go over Raiden's Reactive Power Level, the context surrounding it, and why I personally think it should be removed. So to start off, lets address the reasoning as to why he currently he has this listed in his power set. "Went from having his punches no-sold by...
I get second-hand embarrassment thinking about it...
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DaFodderMan?I opposed the thread don't worry, I was just very unhinged about about itRaiden's "Reactive Power Level" (Metal Gear Rising)
So i'm making this thread to go over Raiden's Reactive Power Level, the context surrounding it, and why I personally think it should be removed. So to start off, lets address the reasoning as to why he currently he has this listed in his power set. "Went from having his punches no-sold by...vsbattles.com
I get second-hand embarrassment thinking about it...
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More like DaRagingMan lmfao
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It's kind of ****** up because bro has statement of getting stronger, both just naturally (even in MGS2), and also mechanically due to firmware upgrades and whatnot.
Like hell not even "yeah man this dont make sense", but straight up making stuff up as an alternative.
So much so we have the made up yap on the multiplier page???
Def in the top 5 wtf we doing chat moments I've been apart of.
Like hell not even "yeah man this dont make sense", but straight up making stuff up as an alternative.
So much so we have the made up yap on the multiplier page???
Def in the top 5 wtf we doing chat moments I've been apart of.
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The weapon part isn’t me sayin a weapon is a RM, I just saying he needed Sam’s Sword to counter Armstrong’s nano machine durability.
Also fair on the red eyes flash part, but can you explain away the voice change then?
I noticed that every time he activates RM, his voice does seems to change from his original voice to a more edgey way if I remember to describe the change of tones in his voice.
We saw that when Raiden activated RM for the first time and it isn’t completely out of the question for that matter as he was more of a maniac compared to his normal self or something.
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Yeah so it's not relevant and has nothing to do with the topic at hand?
Voice change? You mean the guttery voice he does all the time even before that too? Not even just MGR btw, but even in 4.
You should probably go back and check the dozen or more times he uses said voice in base before getting RM too.
I'm not doing this with you. As someone who just spent 50 hours going through every codec, voiceline and more (ripped a few for quotes too), I can assure you, his voice changes has nothing to do with RM. He takes that tone when simply not in a good mood or is serious.
Does it in codecs, does it before getting RM, and he even at times uses his normal voice in RM at times so it goes both ways even.
If his ass doesn't have an aura, he isn't in RM, end of.
There is no "well explain this", or "it isn't out of the question", like asking why Goku uses a serious voice in SSJ, because he do? The voice isn't an indicator though, he can use that voice in base, and he can use his casual voice in SSJ too, what you're arguing is tantamount to watching Goku in base mog Cell, and then saying it isn't out of the question he was actually in SSJ3 as his tone of voice was edgy.
But, not like it matters, but the armstrong cutscene is supposed to bookend this cutscene btw
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Is it worth discussing here? This is just a Q&A.
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Does he take that tone in bed though?
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Okay, I will conceded on the RM part, but it still doesn’t explain away why Raiden need someone’s else sword to actually damage Armstrong and manage to kill him since IIRC the Muramasa blade has some serious feats I recall in Sam’s own DLC IIRC
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Yes. Especially in his deadass drunk bar hopping phase.
If people want to randomly argue it sure why not. Saves me time later.
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Kinda didn't. He managed to floor Armstrong but Armstrong walked it off casually. His feat is outpacing Armstrong's nanomachines to cut his arm clean off
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Yes it does?
Wdym it doesn't explain? They spent legit, ong, about 25m of straight yapping in the codecs explaining why in detail?
That's without getting into the fact his own sword got uh, broken so he needed a sword anyway, and the other sword is just better.
Unless you're somehow arguing RM being an AP boost would let him beat ass anyway?It wouldn't. especially not with a mere 7x amp, Armstrong is a ludicrous stonewall who also regenerates. Without the sword, even though his attacks do more now, it's like the difference between 0.01% before, now up to like 0.5% to 1% barehanded, which we know, due to scripted unavoidable QTEs. And with the sword he's chunking off like 5-10%.
Like... Big Boss is explicitly stated to get stronger too mid-fight, but his ass is still gonna be using his HEAT weapons against Metal Gears regardless.
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I am confused here as we know why Raiden’s HF sword broke against Armstrong, but I guess tbf on Raiden’s part, his HF sword has been through a lot of shit before the Armstrong Fight I suppose.
Eh, I probably overthinking the hell out of this as I don’t fully remember Metal Gear Rising conversation, but why do you mean about Codec yap? I thought that didn’t happen before said fight.
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You can talk to all your buddies on the Codec even in the middle of fights where they'll give you either lore drops to explain things or gameplay hints.
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"Snake! How do I fight a man who's 99.9% Nanomachine"
"Raiden I'm literally like 500x weaker than you how the **** should I know?"
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Wait, what?
I usually do the Codex yap before fights rather than during fights.
Well, that explains a lot
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That doesn't matter? Man why are you even talking about the sword to begin with?
You know you can call the gang mid fight right and get a shit ton of exposition? In every single phase? That's a thing in literally every single MG game even.
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"Use the Nanomachine inhibitor Raiden, it will deactivate them in his body and force him back into his natural state. That's how I beat Vamp despite being 500x weaker than you while also being an old cripple after all".
"Also I died 3 months after the events of 4 and don't exist by the time of this fight" - Snake.
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Probably because I confused myself since it has been awhile since I last played Metal Gear Rising.
Eh, knowing myself, I probably trying to find some clarifications for that matter. Thanks for clearing those parts up since I wasn’t exactly sure on the parts regarding RM and other things.
As for the Codec Yap part, I never tried doing that in the middle of fights rather it was before the fights. I was probably in the mentality of “No talking, just pure actions” in the middle of a fight there
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I mean that mf Sorrow and Mantis got away with it so
And I mean, Jamaius Vu also exists.
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Raiden just randomly calling up Snake only to be told to use something he didn't bring with him despite his enemies being like 80% pumped full of nanomachines and just getting the longest sigh of a tired man
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Wait, speaking of Psycho Mantis, didn’t that guy literally done some nonsense with your console at the time?
like he has some Fourth Wall fuckery about IIRC
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As said before, that has been a thing for almost all of Metal Gear series, and some characters will even call you in the mids of battle to help, yap, or both.
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