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Should DBZ Goku (& others) scale to Namekian Dragon Ball's speed?

TMaakkonen

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Per title, Should DBZ Goku (and others) scale to Namekian Dragon Ball's speed? Its arguably not too likely but I am curious.

However, way back as a kid, Goku reacted to Earth's Dragon Ball speed, even when he was weaker than the creator of the Earth DB’s Kami back then.



In theory, since Goku, at the time of Frieza Saga, is above Namekian Dragon Balls creator's power by a lot there is evidence for it. Since Dragons themselves have limits against someone stronger than them, is it possible to have this scale? Namekian DBs traveled from Namek to Earth in short time which seems like a good speed feat, but I don't think this is solid enough.
 
Well goku did catch one and him and frieza later in the namek saga they reacted to them flying.
 
I'm not sure if the speed of the Dragon Balls spreading is something we assume is equal to Kami's full attack speed. Keep in mind that despite being a creation of Kami who is above Piccolo Sr, the latter can oneshot Shenron. But characters in Dragon Ball are all logically comparable if not superior to their casual Ki blasts.
 
I really don't think we should assume every creator of the dragon ball to be as fast as them, but kami, piccolo and kid goku have enough feat to suggest they do
 
Technically since this is about Guru and Namekian Dragon Balls, many characters should be far above them at least in SSJ and above, as well as a lot of prior characters.

However, since DB's arent standard Ki attacks, it still feels bit off.

Has there been information on how far Namek is? If DB's travelling to Earth from Namek in short time was to be calced it might be an outlier.
 
I would say that Kid Goku catching the Dragon Ball could count as a speed feat as he outright caught it when it was flying away. Although whether or not Kami scales to it's speed is questionable and should be discussed. Same thing with the Namekian Dragon Ball's

Also there is the fact that this argument could also affect the speed of Heroes characters but let's leave that for later

Edit: Actually I think you could argue that anyone stronger than Shenron and Porunga would scale to their speed as both dragons are the literal emalgamation of the Dragon Ball's. It'd make sense to scale the dragons to their own Dragon Ball's and anyone above the dragons would scale above their speed
 
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Actually how fast do these balls scatter. If we know we can get some good results for kid goku and such
 
For Namekian Dragon Ball speed, I did try to calc it, but I am not a calcer so it prolly has flaws.

We actually have just barely enough information to get stuff. Using human technology, going to Namek takes 4339 years (& 3 months). Since the chapter was done in 1989, we could use human spacecraft from prior 1989. Apollo 10 for crewed flight and Voyager 1 for non-crew. I had no idea what other to use for reference. We can use the time frame and speed using human technology, which gives us distance. Does this make sense?

I guess its good to check what Japanese translations say on that timeframe.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
they did?
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They did.
But only Earth's DBs have been tagged.
 
Now then, I'll post an attempt on calc, do slap this because I am not sure on it.

Time to take to Namek is 4339 years and 3 months, which for easier calcs is 136 837 296 000 s.

We don't have speeds for Earth's spacecrafts in DBZ, but since that chapter was in 1989 and DBZ Earth is kinda similar to Earth, I used Apollo 10's 11.083 km/s for reference, which is a crewed ship that existed back then.

distance = speed * time
=>11.083 km/s * 136 837 296 000 s = 1 516 567 751 568 km, as distance to Namek.

With this, we can use the time frame of Namekian DB's travel to Earth, and thanks to Frieza, we have generous time frame of 5 minutes (300 s).

speed = distance / time
=> 1 516 567 751 568 km / 300 s = 5 055 225 838,56 km/s = 5 055 225 838 560 m/s aka 16,862.418329 c

If this is our current DBZ speed, 590 c or so, this seems like a upgrade if people scale to DB's movements.

Now...

I'm not sure on this calc and this feels like an outlier. There was some discussion that its not that bad idea scaling wise. But I would like to hear opinions. Are there problems in this calc?
 
Bump

Would it be ok to discuss this in Content revision? I haven't seen flat out rejection for this yet, though discussion hasn't been too high.
 
For multiple reasons
Because goku showed to be able to react and catch one of them, frieza also reacted to them.
 
Well, if it was in another Galaxy, this calc would be heavily downplaying.

Yeah, travel speeds aren't instant, but technically Kid Goku reacted to them just after they launched, not quite before.

And technically if Kid Goku reacted to someone possibly stronger, in theory it could still apply to Namekian ones too, especially if someone was far stronger than the Dragon. But to be fair this still remains weird, since DB movement speed might not be scalable like reacting to Ki attacks.

This is a really weird one so if more debunks are possible, then hopefully post them here.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
He caught one of the Earth Dragon Balls just before they all scattered across the world.

Did he react to them travel to Earth?
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He recated to one traveling from namek to earth yes. He saw them dispress and travel
As for goku he catches one after the they soared into the sky and scattered.
Lemme pull up the scan.
Here after they all get launched into the air, the db moves some few inches or metres and goku catches one
 
TMaakkonen said:
Well, if it was in another Galaxy, this calc would be heavily downplaying.

Yeah, travel speeds aren't instant, but technically Kid Goku reacted to them just after they launched, not quite before.

And technically if Kid Goku reacted to someone possibly stronger, in theory it could still apply to Namekian ones too, especially if someone was far stronger than the Dragon. But to be fair this still remains weird, since DB movement speed might not be scalable like reacting to Ki attacks.

This is a really weird one so if more debunks are possible, then hopefully post them here.
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Technically it's on another quadrant but it's outside of king kais view [or area] that's why it's on another galaxy
 
Well it would be consistent with king kai statement that namek is not in his districts: I wonder if goku's ship speed should be calculated again
 
Seriously Damage, if you really want to debunk a feat you will need to do more than just say no.

You better bring an actual argument for why Polunga and Shenron's speeds should not scale to their creators or to other characters.
 
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Seeing something fly away =/= reacting to it. None of them scale to the dragon balls transporting themselves to Earth since no one ever interacts with them during the flight there.
 
Kulf_Boba said:
Seeing how the spheres move implies that they were reacting at a similar speed.
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The sphere just flew off the planet, there's no indication they instantly accelerated to maximum speed to cross the interstellar distance.

You can also see planes and rockets take off or fly. In fact with the right conditions you can track and follow the ISS. In all of those cases you could not avoid those objects heading towards you if they started anywhere near your proximity. They're giant glowing balls that leave a light trail. Them seeing it is going to happen. It doesn't mean they 1:1 scale to it. Especially with no supporting evidence.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The sphere just flew off the planet, there's no indication they instantly accelerated to maximum speed to cross the interstellar distance.

You can also see planes and rockets take off or fly. In fact with the right conditions you can track and follow the ISS. In all of those cases you could not avoid those objects heading towards you if they started anywhere near your proximity. They're giant glowing balls that leave a light trail. Them seeing it is going to happen. It doesn't mean they 1:1 scale to it. Especially with no supporting evidence.
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Aren't attacks normally supposed to travel at full speed the instant after firing? Example the launches of Mjolnir in both Marvel Comics and the MCU or the ki attacks in Dragon Ball.
 
That is, if Piccolo's attack that reached the Moon reached a Relativistic+ speed after traveling thousands of kilometers, doesn't that mean that at close range it is accelerating at a much lower speed, for example MHS?
 
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