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Should DBZ Goku (& others) scale to Namekian Dragon Ball's speed?

What is the difference
One are flying orbs that reach Earth under an unknown period of time with clear signs of both acceleration and deacceleration and the other is an offensive energy attack.

You're trying to compare an apple to a potato.
 
Considering our definition here
Reaction speed is reacting to an attack that you don't know is going to happen, or at a very close range.
They saw the balls glow before hand, were far away and never actually kept pace with anything.

No one scales to this feat.
 
Frieza did not expect the balls to travel to Earth. But, shouldn't the Dragon Balls' speed be limited by the power of their creator? Since the Dragon Balls can't do something that is beyond their creator's power
 
Why? They're scrapped off material from the Super Dragon Balls. Shenron also possess a vast array of powers it's creators lack.
That doesn't mean at all that they move as fast as the Super Dragon Balls.

The Dragon Balls can't do something that is beyond their creator's power. For example they can't wish the moon back if the creator is weaker than that, or BFR the saiyans as they're stronger than Kami.

Same would apply to speed. The Dragon Ball's speed would be limited by their creator, as they can't do something that is beyond the creators power (which in this case is Guru)
 
For example they can't wish the moon back if the creator is weaker than that
There's no indication that they're limited like that.

BFR the saiyans as they're stronger than Kami.
That's because shenron noted his magic cannot effect someone stronger than he is without them allowing it.

There's just nothing backing this. If people has casual MFTL+ speed you wouldn't need space ships for people like Frieza or Babbidi. The balls speed just isn't something people scale to.
 
Legitimate argument. Look at both Beerus and Whis.
Then by your argument, DBS Frieza, who way above BoG SSG Goku, wouldn't need to travel with spaceships since he's very fast on his own. However Frieza uses his ships even then.

The reason as to why is:

1) Frieza has an army, who unlike him are both FAR FAR slower than he is, even before DBS, and can't survive in space. Unlike Majin Buu, Frieza isn't a lone force of destruction. He's an emperor with an army

2) He doesn't see any need to go there on his own. His ship does everything he needs for him without him lifting a finger. As we know, Frieza dislikes training so he wouldn't exert himself when he doesn't need to
 
Okay so you're right, the argument I made was flimsy. However I still don't think they scale. Both speeds pages note thing about reactions

Reaction Speed​

Reaction speed is the speed at which a character can react to an event or action. This usually only grants a short movement upon reaction, whereas several movements at the same speed switch it to combat speed.

For example, let's say that character A shoots at character B with a gun and character B dodges. That is reaction speed. Keep in mind, sometimes a person aim dodges and it is not as good of a feat.

As another example, let's say that character A uses a minigun on character B, but the minigun takes a second or two to charge up and Character B sees this. If Character B dodges it is considered aim dodging since he/she knew that the attack was going to happen.

Reaction speed is reacting to an attack that you don't know is going to happen, or at a very close range. The reaction speed of a character also tends to be higher than its movement speed.

Reactions​

In fiction, movement over long distances and movement over short distances - which can be dubbed "combat distances" - tend to be remarkably different for different characters, resulting in serious discrepancies when considering their overall speed. On this wiki, we therefore differentiate between various types of speed, including reaction speed.

Reaction speed is defined as a single movement in a defined timeframe, which a character has been shown capable of. A series of movements in similar timeframes makes this combat speed, so this term should only be applied for a single, quick movement. Examples include ducking backwards to dodge bullets and diving away to dodge extremely fast vehicles.

When measured in terms of a single movement of often undefined, small distance, humans have displayed between 300 millisecond (below average human) to 100 millisecond (peak human) reactions. Autonomous body reactions for humans can also reach as high as 40 milliseconds, but this is oftentimes inapplicable to reaction speed and shouldn't be used.
The only scene given comes from Chapter 130 of Dragon Ball Z or chapter 324 of Dragon Ball with the original listing. This is the entire scene: 1 2 3

So to go over it
  • They do not move or attempt to move during this scene
  • The Dragon Balls are bright and the trail they leave is extremely wide
You can see objects moving its large and bright, even if they're incredibly fast just due to how vision works. They don't display any of the characteristics of reacting to the event in such a way that it leads to their speed being increased.

The only argument for it is that Guru is as fast as the Dragon Balls, which is utterly baseless as a climb. Guru can barely move physically.
 
The only argument for it is that Guru is as fast as the Dragon Balls, which is utterly baseless as a climb. Guru can barely move physically.
This isn't Old Guru who made the Dragon Ball. Guru made Purunga long ago much like how Kami made Shenron many years ago

Obviously the Guru that made the Dragon Balls is prime Guru rather than Old Guru
 
Do you have a source for such a claim?
The Namekians made Dragon Balls even before the Cataclysm on Namek that almost eradicated all of them, and both Kami and Guru were alive at the time it happens. Guru was also the only Namekian that remained on Namek and survived this event, so there's no one else that could preceed Guru as the Guardian after the Cataclysm
 
That still doesn't explain why Guru would scale the Dragon Ball's transport speed.
 
That still doesn't explain why Guru would scale the Dragon Ball's transport speed.
Cause Guru wasn't old back then? The Cataclysm happened hundreds of years ago. Guru was the elder back then much like Kami is. The difference now is that Kami is old and also sick due to Frieza slaugtering his people
 
Guru was the elder back then much like Kami is.
I mean, I'm not seeing that limitation mentioned anywhere. Not even in guidebooks
Special Characteristics: He’s created by God breathing a soul into the dragon model which Mister Popo created. When the 7 dragonballs are gathered and you recite the chant “Come forth Shenlong, and grant my wish!”, the sky will suddenly become pitch black even if it’s noon. A giant Oriental dragon will then appear amidst a flash of lightning, and grant any wish, though only one. Even if you wish is to bring a person back to life, or to become a billionaire, he will treat it just the same. He will always grant the wish, no matter how evil the person making it is, but it is impossible for him to grant a wish that exceeds God’s power, or to revive a person who has died twice. Also, if you make him wait a long time after summoning him without making any wish, he will sometimes disappear without granting any wish. Furthermore, because the dragonballs’ life is shared with their creator, if their creator God dies or vanishes, the dragonballs will become ordinary stones, like they do after granting a wish. They will regain their effectiveness again until a Dragon Clansman with the power to create a new Shenlong breathes their power into them.
They can't make a wish beyond what their creator can do, but that's about it. Their only other tie is that they're only alive when Guru is alive.

This still doesn't mean much, as the immobile near-death Guru just isn't MFTL+.
 
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