Shion vs Homura

[Theglassman12]

Does she immediately use BFR, or does she use it later?

 

[Kaltias]

If she realizes that time stop doesn't work (which she would as Shion would be moving) she would probably go for BFR as it's safer

 

[Theglassman12]

So it boils down to who uses their hax first.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Didn't it already stated above that Fate Manip isn't going to work on homu?

 

[SomebodyData]

due to acasuality, idk

 

[Theglassman12]

Fate manipulation isn't her only hax.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yeah, but from what I am reading, the fate manipulation is the most potent hax, so I thought she would lead with that

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Shion can lead with either chaotic fate or cook. Really chaotic fate is just another application of cook, cook basically has effects or whatever like "the shield can't stop the slash" which makes defenses useless against her attack and she has some other ones which i can't remember which for instance when she chops someone's limbs off the can't heal as the person was rewritten to have the limbless selves be the new norm, and another which overwrote a barrier which was negating her powers to where it stopped negating them.

Chaotic fate is just another effect of that, with the effect of "the outcome is rewritten", hence she can manipulation fate but yea fate manipulation is just another application of cook. She usually starts with the basic cook that overwrites things though, then if that doesn't work, immediately goes for fate hax.

 

[Theglassman12]

bump

 

[Theglassman12]

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[Theglassman12]

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[Theglassman12]

Bump

 

[Theglassman12]

Bump.

 

[Theglassman12]

bump

 

[Theglassman12]

bump

 

[Rocker1189]

rip, only bumps

 

[Theglassman12]

Please vote

 

[Rocker1189]

Wait, I thought I did. Anyway I vote for Shion.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Rocker you need to say your reasons as well.

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah you already voted. It's the only vote for Shion

 

[Theglassman12]

Oh right, forgot about that.....Please vote Kal.......

 

[Kaltias]

Inconclusive for reasons given so far I guess. Neither seems to have a decisive advantage

 

[Theglassman12]

bump

 

[Theglassman12]

bump

 

[Woxx]

why homura is still 7-C, while madoka has 5-B as lowest tier

 

[Kaltias]

Because Homura is laughably weaker

 

[Woxx]

Because Homura is laughably weaker

proof? 12 episode/wraith arc/rebellion homura is equal to her

 

[Kaltias]

Proof? Third timeline Madoka demolished an enemy (Walpurgisnacht) that Homura couldn't beat in 100 attempts.

 

[Woxx]

Proof? Third timeline Madoka demolished an enemy (Walpurgisnacht) that Homura couldn't beat in 100 attempts.

pre demon homura has never fought walpurgis

false madoka is 5-B and she was made from her memories, so homura can't be lower than that

 

[Kaltias]

Do you even PMMM? Magical girl Homura battled Walpurgis 100 times.

False Madoka is created from her memories, not her power

 

[Woxx]

Do you even PMMM? Magical girl Homura battled Walpurgis 100 times.
False Madoka is created from her memories, not her power

what? I'm talking about homura with bow, this version of her has never fought walpurgis because walpurgis didn't exist anymore, you can rewatch everything by yourself

 

[Kaltias]

Pre demon Homura is literally everything excluding her 2-A form.

Also crystallized Homura already has Low 5-B smiting

 

[Schnee_One]

Inconclusive FRA

 

[Woxx]

Pre demon Homura is literally everything excluding her 2-A form.
Also crystallized Homura already has Low 5-B smiting

Actually she stopped avatar of calamity so it definitely not a lost, I mean pre demon homura as crystallized Homura

and my first question again, this form is the strongest and it's definitely not 7-C, so why 7-C homura is still used in battles, while madoka doesn't have her low profiles at all

 

[Kaltias]

I never said that she lost to the AoC?

7-C Homura is used in battles because people can use the form that they like the most?

 

[Woxx]

ye sorry

Then return 7-C madoka in profile too. Also 7-C Homura doesn't have power drain, it's crystallized Homura's ability.

 

[Kaltias]

Why? The magical girl Madoka who appears in the anime is Low 5-B.

Uh no. Her new ability is memory manipulation. Not power drain. That, and Rebellion Homura isn't crystallized.

Also, you are derailing

 

[Woxx]

That, and Rebellion Homura isn't crystallized.

Yeah sorry for derailing, but you are missing something. No, real Homura who lies in the desert and who split Madokami is crystallized. She's the same Homura from wraith arc.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, ok. The only powers that she gained are memory manip and smiting, she literally stated it.

 

[Woxx]

I mean, ok. The only powers that she gained are memory manip and smiting, she literally stated it.

Then rebellion inctroduced something new. You should jsut follow the plot, she's the same homura from wraith arc, because wraith arc is Rebellion's prequel, and this ability has nothing to do with old Homura who fought walpurgis.