Shinza banshou discussion thread~Revival~

[QuasiYuri]

lol no, actually you said about debunking the third domain, or something so i was curious.
BTW you were planning to make shinza countless 1-B or something? Would that only go to hajun or the rest of the gods as well?

Would be debattable.
Countless 1-B would be debattable in itself.
But I have so much to do, don't expect it soon.

 

[QuasiYuri]

You aren't?

I guess just reputation lol. Do like 5 upgrade CRTs in a row and then you'll be the opposite - an upgrade machine ;P

I can upgrade Flatland! Does it count?

 

[Ovy7]

I can upgrade Flatland! Does it count?

That's impossible, Monarch of Pointland is already soloing the wiki

 

[QuasiYuri]

That's impossible, Monarch of Pointland is already soloing the wiki

It would be to make him above real life

 

[Ovy7]

It would be to make him above real life

What makes you think he isn't already?

 

[QuasiYuri]

In case anyone's interrested, here's a scene of Soujirou/Shiori breaking through the Singularity to reach Hajun, which is stated to cut "dimensional space", with a decent amount of "lower layers" statement too.
(It's some min before the end)

 

[azontr]

In case anyone's interrested, here's a scene of Soujirou/Shiori breaking through the Singularity to reach Hajun, which is stated to cut "dimensional space", with a decent amount of "lower layers" statement too.
(It's some min before the end)

At least I can enjoy the visuals :/

 

[PrinceofPein]

In case anyone's interrested, here's a scene of Soujirou/Shiori breaking through the Singularity to reach Hajun, which is stated to cut "dimensional space", with a decent amount of "lower layers" statement too.
(It's some min before the end)

in the end the countless into 1B will make no sense with yakou dimensional dislocation that was the major reason for the downgrade, i mean look at i this way
1. the dimension in shinza are higher infinities, this has been established
2. if they were already countless into 1B of what sense will a 24D barrier they are infinitely above be to them? i mean it was called "dimension dislocation" not exactly barrier.
but you get my point

oh btw i started paradise lost yesterday

 

[PrinceofPein]

In case anyone's interrested, here's a scene of Soujirou/Shiori breaking through the Singularity to reach Hajun, which is stated to cut "dimensional space", with a decent amount of "lower layers" statement too.
(It's some min before the end)

hmmmn saw the playlist, it is like the entire playlist of important parts in KKK, i will definitely go thorugh this

 

[QuasiYuri]

in the end the countless into 1B will make no sense with yakou dimensional dislocation that was the major reason for the downgrade, i mean look at i this way
1. the dimension in shinza are higher infinities, this has been established
2. if they were already countless into 1B of what sense will a 24D barrier they are infinitely above be to them? i mean it was called "dimension dislocation" not exactly barrier.

Actually there's a very simple thing about Yakou barriers.

They are definitely higher dimensional in nature, however it makes more sense that he summoned 24 individuality higher D barriers than made a single thing that is 24D based on how it is said.
Meaning the number is actually meaningless.

It also explains how he could block previous stuff with less barriers despite still being Taiji n all.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Actually there's a very simple thing about Yakou barriers.

They are definitely higher dimensional in nature, however it makes more sense that he summoned 24 individuality higher D barriers than made a single thing that is 24D based on how it is said.
Meaning the number is actually meaningless.

It also explains how he could block previous stuff with less barriers despite still being Taiji n all.

well i will try and get the scene and yakou character page also

24 different barrier that are of Higher D in nature, the numbers of D will be unknown?

well at least we are cleaning up the verse little by little. cause that entire 24D made no sense to me

 

[PrinceofPein]

of the back of my mind, it may be shitty translation, but did soujiro not say something about him being able to cut dimensions no matter the number?

 

[QuasiYuri]

of the back of my mind, it may be shitty translation, but did soujiro not say something about him being able to cut dimensions no matter the number?

I don't remember him saying that, although it could refer to how his Taiji is the most offensive of the EE and that he can cut everything including Singularity, Throne and others bs.

 

[QuasiYuri]

well i will try and get the scene and yakou character page also

24 different barrier that are of Higher D in nature, the numbers of D will be unknown?

well at least we are cleaning up the verse little by little. cause that entire 24D made no sense to me

Basically yeah.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I don't remember him saying that, although it could refer to how his Taiji is the most offensive of the EE and that he can cut everything including Singularity, Throne and others bs.

i think what he said was something along the line, no matter the size of the thing be it dimension, law and other stuffs, just him being cool as usual he is my fav masada character.
cant be simping on some fake blond


this is the link to the first chapter of avesta for those who need it, i would have helped in translating it, but i also use MLT with a little bit of dictionary when reading masada stuffs and its way easier to read than try to read and translate believe me i tried.

第一章『凶戦士』前編 - 事象地平戦線アーディティヤ＆黒白のアヴェスター (正田・Ｇユウスケ)の投稿｜ファンティア[Fantia]

事象地平戦線アーディティヤ＆黒白のアヴェスターの投稿詳細

fantia.jp

 

[QuasiYuri]

i think what he said was something along the line, no matter the size of the thing be it dimension, law and other stuffs, just him being cool as usual he is my fav masada character.

Well he does also say that he can cut Hajun and all

 

[PrinceofPein]

Well he does also say that he can cut Hajun and all

only to be useless in the last fight Shameless behaviour

 

[PrinceofPein]

FOR THOSE THAT WILL NEED THIS, (OP can probably add this to the OP)
LINKS TO THE VISUAL NOVELS

Avesta of Black and White

Prologue: https://pastebin.com/28tSNA8j (Translated)
Chapter 1: https://fantia.jp/posts/339477 (Untranslated)

Dies irae

Getting Started:
Official Website: http://www.light.gr.jp/light/products/dies_portal/
VNDB: https://vndb.org/v548
Interview with Kaziklu Bey: http://www.light.gr.jp/light/products/dies_kaziklubey/
Steam Page: (>buying from steam)
Mangagamer: https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1041 (>buying from mangagamer)
Other Resources:
Random TL's and misconceptions:

Dies irae Pantheon

Official Website: http://dies-p.net/index.html
Website Translation:

Kajiri Kamui Kagura

Official website: http://www.light.gr.jp/light/products/kajirikamuikagura/index.html
VNDB: https://vndb.org/v5844

Other light titles

Senshinkan: https://vndb.org/v12455
Bansenjin Torrent: https://sukebei.pantsu.cat/view/1705703
Paradise Lost: https://vndb.org/v1951
PL Torrent: https://sukebei.*******/view/2577220


i will try to upload a MLT version of avesta chapters weekly, i dont know which platform i can use but i will try to get one

 

[PrinceofPein]

Well he does also say that he can cut Hajun and all

This will be helpful in the verse revision

1. () Ryuumei and Yato conversation
2. () Yato's advent
3. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kAvZoQ0dWQ) Throne statues *Video starts at ninth line in the bin.
4. https://pastebin.com/GNvn0Wr1 Hisouten by Yakou (https://youtu.be/Zx7b50TohvU?t=145)
5. https://pastebin.com/PVCDQ4L8 Yakou vs Ootake
   
   
   

 

[PrinceofPein]

Anyone know how to add images and pictures that shows as footnotes after every message sent on the wiki? i wanna be cool too

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

FOR THOSE THAT WILL NEED THIS, (OP can probably add this to the OP)
LINKS TO THE VISUAL NOVELS



Prologue: https://pastebin.com/28tSNA8j (Translated)
Chapter 1: https://fantia.jp/posts/339477 (Untranslated)


Getting Started:
Official Website: http://www.light.gr.jp/light/products/dies_portal/
VNDB: https://vndb.org/v548
Interview with Kaziklu Bey: http://www.light.gr.jp/light/products/dies_kaziklubey/
Steam Page: (>buying from steam)
Mangagamer: https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1041 (>buying from mangagamer)
Other Resources:
Random TL's and misconceptions:


Official Website: http://dies-p.net/index.html
Website Translation:


Official website: http://www.light.gr.jp/light/products/kajirikamuikagura/index.html
VNDB: https://vndb.org/v5844


Senshinkan: https://vndb.org/v12455
Bansenjin Torrent: https://sukebei.pantsu.cat/view/1705703
Paradise Lost: https://vndb.org/v1951
PL Torrent: https://sukebei.*******/view/2577220


i will try to upload a MLT version of avesta chapters weekly, i dont know which platform i can use but i will try to get one

sure

 

[Tarang123]

Can i make MY profile instead? I will put myself at tier -896483754infinity.

Lmfao.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

Awww, I missed Shinza stuff. I really love DI as my favorite visual novel. There was a time I even considered myself a knowledgeable member about it.

I'll be watching this, I hope I can contribute in the future!

 

[Tarang123]

Is this just us talking about Shinza stuff cause that's pretty nice.

Also, @QuasiYuri , since you've read K3, if it's not too much trouble (which it probably is), could you provide some summaries in the playlist that you sent me?

I've read through the first seven or eight, but it takes a fuckload of time...

 

[Tarang123]

Honestly, some Shinza "fans" are pretty ******* annoying. I think the "last thread" thing already showed that with that one dumbass that actually had the balls to go ask Masada to put make the verse stronger for vs debating or even asking whether the Throne is beyond all dimensional space.

 

[Tarang123]

i think what he said was something along the line, no matter the size of the thing be it dimension, law and other stuffs, just him being cool as usual he is my fav masada character.
cant be simping on some fake blond


this is the link to the first chapter of avesta for those who need it, i would have helped in translating it, but i also use MLT with a little bit of dictionary when reading masada stuffs and its way easier to read than try to read and translate believe me i tried.

第一章『凶戦士』前編 - 事象地平戦線アーディティヤ＆黒白のアヴェスター (正田・Ｇユウスケ)の投稿｜ファンティア[Fantia]

事象地平戦線アーディティヤ＆黒白のアヴェスターの投稿詳細

fantia.jp

I mean...Soujirou's also the guy that can cut opponents even if they have higher Taikyoku, despite it supposedly being an absolute difference in power and whatnot, so it's not too surprising, if they were 1B and whatnot that Soujirou could do shit like this. Technically, you could use this to say that Soujirou could harm a High 1B and possibly even a more powerful character with his law.

 

[Tarang123]

Honestly, I wish I had the money to actually read Avesta. I've been reading through SpaceBattles, but it doesn't explain everything. I already read the prologue, it was pretty good, ngl.

 

[Tarang123]

Truth be told, I think we need to add hax to the Yatsukahagi profiles. I already made a revision for Ootake, so people can check that one out. However, Yato's powers and abilities must be the saddest thing I've ever seen.

I mean...look at this bs.

I'll probably do a revision whenever I get time, but if someone could do it instead of me, that would be pretty cool. Cause Yato's page has no scans, nothing. It's literally just some random ass shit on there. Then, you have the justification there, which, while not terrible, could have a lot more. You could put in how he casually froze the entirety of the EE (besides Habaki) and even Habaki throughout their fight. Even him stomping Habaki is a feat. While it's on the profile in the details of his law, it should also be a justification that his law is strong enough to hold back Hajun's law and whatnot.

 

[Tarang123]

I also think Hajun should have some kind of reality warping or spatial manipulation due to the nature of his law and whatnot, but I could be wrong. Cause I saw some scan of him warping the entire multiverse with just movements of his eye and whatnot.

 

[Tarang123]

Another thing is that Hado Gods seem to get stronger forever as long as they're still alive due to their laws being, essentially, an eternal expansion.

 

[Tarang123]

In case anyone's interrested, here's a scene of Soujirou/Shiori breaking through the Singularity to reach Hajun, which is stated to cut "dimensional space", with a decent amount of "lower layers" statement too.
(It's some min before the end)

have the specific scene for this? I've already started translating this fight, but I haven't seen that statement, yet

 

[QuasiYuri]

have the specific scene for this? I've already started translating this fight, but I haven't seen that statement, yet

There's normally a timestamp.

 

[Odinson]

have the specific scene for this? I've already started translating this fight, but I haven't seen that statement, yet

Hold up, are you translating it using machine translation or getting it translated by a JP reader. Don't tell me it's the former--

 

[Tarang123]

There's normally a timestamp.

oh, mb. I'll check that out then.

 

[Tarang123]

Hold up, are you translating it using machine translation or getting it translated by a JP reader. Don't tell me it's the former--

Eh, I extract the text and translate it myself. I have a friend that knows Japanese, so I just ask him to check them out.

 

[Tarang123]

Their nature doesn't change, they only manipulate how the flow goes. That's also why their durability isn't variable.

He did yes. He only understood it later however.

Wouldn't make sense. It would be like saying "a barrier made of 4 stars is universe level". Madara can only summon the phenomenons of the world regardless, and the 1-A was because the gods were supposedly above all expansion of the world and the singularity.

The thing is...if a barrier made from 4 stars was able to stop an attack that could destroy an entire multiverse, then the barrier would be multiversal. On the other side, if a multiversal being made a barrier with 4 stars, then it's kinda foolish to assume that this barrier would have merely star level durability. Also, I'm pretty sure Madara manipulates physical phenomenon, rather than merely summoning them. I think that's something highlighted in the Madara vs Ootake fight as the main/only difference between Madara and guys like Ootake and other gods was that he had no craving, he couldn't warp the laws to his craving, cause he had no craving.

 

[QuasiYuri]

The thing is...if a barrier made from 4 stars was able to stop an attack that could destroy an entire multiverse, then the barrier would be multiversal. On the other side, if a multiversal being made a barrier with 4 stars, then it's kinda foolish to assume that this barrier would have merely star level durability.

Isn't that an argument used in the downgrade thread, word for word?

Also it's a false equivalence, since the dude's tier isn't based on being above all stars that could exist in his verse.
Can't have eternal life and die from old age.

Also, I'm pretty sure Madara manipulates physical phenomenon, rather than merely summoning them. I think that's something highlighted in the Madara vs Ootake fight as the main/only difference between Madara and guys like Ootake and other gods was that he had no craving, he couldn't warp the laws to his craving, cause he had no craving.

The difference is that he can only summon them and not change stuff, because of this same lack of craving.

 

[Tarang123]

Isn't that an argument used in the downgrade thread, word for word?

Also it's a false equivalence, since the dude's tier isn't based on being above all stars that could exist in his verse.
Can't have eternal life and die from old age.

Is it? I'm not sure. I was merely explaining the problems with what you were saying. I didn't copy anything, but whatever.

The difference is that he can only summon them and not change stuff, because of this same lack of craving.

Pretty sure it said that he can do anything in regards to physical phenomena, but is unable to basically overwrite them cause he has no craving or nothing to paint them with.

 

[Infera28]

Yo. Anyone can send japanese Dies Irae walkthrough from YouTube. So I can check a series of scans in japanese.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Yo. Anyone can send japanese Dies Irae walkthrough from YouTube. So I can check a series of scans in japanese.

Welcome back bro

do you neeed link to the japanese version of the game? cause i doubt you will get a walkthrough video in japanese