Shinza banshou discussion thread~Revival~

[Ningenron]

That just might be referring to the godhood infinitely ongoing Emanation

 

[PrinceofPein]

The universe was not retconned, as in KKK it was called infinite multiverse multiple times.
And I am planning a CRT, although Yuri did most of the work already I fully agree with yuri reasoning would post the crt sometimes this week

 

[Everything12]

What's it about?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Well since everyone agreed that the translation of yakou barrier is not "24 dimensioned barrier" but rather "24 higher dimension barrier" or a barrier of 24 layers or a barrier that covers 24 sides. The gods would lose the 1B via this rating and would be likely low 1C(High 1C), but there are other things that would boost them into 1B countless into 1B actually, merc singularity statements, soujiro trying to break through Cajun singularity and yakou drilling through layers of the singularity for 10,000 years

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Well since everyone agreed that the translation of yakou barrier is not "24 dimensioned barrier" but rather "24 higher dimension barrier" or a barrier of 24 layers or a barrier that covers 24 sides. The gods would lose the 1B via this rating and would be likely low 1C(High 1C), but there are other things that would boost them into 1B countless into 1B actually, merc singularity statements, soujiro trying to break through Cajun singularity and yakou drilling through layers of the singularity for 10,000 years

where?

 

[PrinceofPein]

where?

What's that?

 

[Everything12]

The thread hasn't been made yet.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Oh yes it has not been made, I am trying to translate the relevant scans

 

[Tarang123]

I think Habaki killed Hajun and then Mercurius removed all possibilities of Hajun being born with causality manip.

That's not at all what happened from what I remember. All I remember was that the severely weakened Hajun was held off by Ren's time stop, so that Mercurius could take the Throne and remove all possibilities of Hajun becoming a god due to being fodder to him. Had Hajun actually used Metsujin Messo or Muryuu Taisuu (probably spelled that wrong), Mercurius reaching the Throne would have never happened and he'd be dead.

 

[Tarang123]

It's Morei and Akuro who did that and they were among the most hateful tenmas towards them because of being excessively synchro with Yato's surface Hatred and not realizing his true intentions unlike Sukuna and Ootake. ( not to mention they were still technically protecting themselves and their territory since it's the EE who invaded and were willing to get rid of them ).

From what I heard, Ootake genuinely didn't care about killing or hurting the EE, but did it for Yato, while Sukuna was Yato's proxy and knew about Yato's and Ryuumei's plan for the EE. The other Tenma just hated everyone.

 

[Tarang123]

Well since everyone agreed that the translation of yakou barrier is not "24 dimensioned barrier" but rather "24 higher dimension barrier" or a barrier of 24 layers or a barrier that covers 24 sides. The gods would lose the 1B via this rating and would be likely low 1C(High 1C), but there are other things that would boost them into 1B countless into 1B actually, merc singularity statements, soujiro trying to break through Cajun singularity and yakou drilling through layers of the singularity for 10,000 years

It doesn't really seem to be a single barrier from what I remember. They wouldn't really lose the 1B rating based on this, but I agree that 1B should come from the singularity rather than the barriers due to how controversial they are.

 

[Tarang123]

No. They were amped or some.

Pretty much all of them were amped to some degree besides Ryuusui cause I'm not too sure about her. There were a bunch of other things that led to Hajun's downfall, but them removing all his infinite souls apparently led to it, which is kinda weird...

 

[Odinson]

That's not at all what happened from what I remember. All I remember was that the severely weakened Hajun was held off by Ren's time stop, so that Mercurius could take the Throne and remove all possibilities of Hajun becoming a god due to being fodder to him. Had Hajun actually used Metsujin Messo or Muryuu Taisuu (probably spelled that wrong), Mercurius reaching the Throne would have never happened and he'd be dead.

Yeah. We know stronger laws will paint over the weaker one making it void. Had hajun activated his law - Mercurius' law would've never worked.

 

[Tarang123]

Yeah. We know stronger laws will paint over the weaker one making it void. Had hajun activated his law - Mercurius' law would've never worked.

That's not all, Hajun's law has a unique ability to crush and destroy all other cravings, and makes all Taikyokus useless against him. It doesn't seem to be merely higher Taikyoku vs lower Taikyoku at that point, it's basically power nullification hax or resistance to all taikyoku-based abilities.

 

[Ningenron]

That's what every God does to a Weaker God tho, I.e. power nulling whatever the weaker God's has....

どちらの場合も神は同じ神の位階に立たない者の能力をすべて無効化するため、

 

[Tarang123]

That's what every God does to a Weaker God tho, I.e. power nulling whatever the weaker God's has....

As I said, he's completely crushing their Taikyoku itself, completely negating it, but even then I think gods should still have power nullification on the god physiology page due to this. Even then, Hajun's negation has always been treated as something different from the usual.

 

[Odinson]

but even then I think gods should still have power nullification on the god physiology page due to this

I don't know why they don't have it right now tbh. There are statements even in DI which act as supporting evidence for power nullification.

 

[Tarang123]

I don't know why they don't have it right now tbh. There are statements even in DI which act as supporting evidence for power nullification.

Yeah, just made a revision for it.

 

[PrinceofPein]

As I said, he's completely crushing their Taikyoku itself, completely negating it, but even then I think gods should still have power nullification on the god physiology page due to this. Even then, Hajun's negation has always been treated as something different from the usual.

Hajun negation is coming from his own immense taikyoku

 

[Catzlaflame]

Hot takes time cus I’m bored asf lol

Shirou and Ellie > Reinhard and Mercerius come fight me

Ellie > Marie

ellie carries the DI female cast on her back like lebron to the cavs in 2016

kei is worst character

 

[Tarang123]

Hot takes time cus I’m bored asf lol

Shirou and Ellie > Reinhard and Mercerius come fight me

Ellie > Marie

ellie carries the DI female cast on her back like lebron to the cavs in 2016

kei is worst character

1. No, Reinhard > Shirou and Ellie I'm coming for you

2. Agreed, Ellie > Marie

3. Sure

4. No...guys, get the pitchforks

 

[Tarang123]

Hajun negation is coming from his own immense taikyoku

It isn't, tho...it's coming directly from the nature of Metsujin Messo, it isn't merely because of strength.

 

[Everything12]

You guys have the ability to get a vague translation of Kajiri Kamui Kagura scans, yeah? Can you do this one as even a inaccurate translation would help me understand how truthful what is said about it is.

 

[Catzlaflame]

You guys have the ability to get a vague translation of Kajiri Kamui Kagura scans, yeah? Can you do this one as even a inaccurate translation would help me understand how truthful what is said about it is.

高次元から低次元への攻撃は、赤子の手を捻るよりも通しやすい。
An attack from a higher dimension to a lower dimension is easier to pass than twisting the hand of a baby.

 

[Everything12]

This feels like a kinda important quote, unfortunately pass can mean several things depending on the context so I'm not comfortable assuming it's talking about the Transcendence Higher Dimensions have over Lower Dimensions. If only their was a way to find this scene and get the rest of the context.

 

[Catzlaflame]

This feels like a kinda important quote, unfortunately pass can mean several things depending on the context so I'm not comfortable assuming it's talking about the Transcendence Higher Dimensions have over Lower Dimensions. If only their was a way to find this scene and get the rest of the context.

The original scan ravenous provided, is much more solid.

 

[Everything12]

I guess based off the context it probably is talking about how how Higher Dimensions are superior (even though its talking about Taikyoku it does show that in-verse Higher Dimensions are cosnidered superior to Lower Dimensions) I just like to be thorough.

 

[Tarang123]

I guess based off the context it probably is talking about how how Higher Dimensions are superior (even though its talking about Taikyoku it does show that in-verse Higher Dimensions are cosnidered superior to Lower Dimensions) I just like to be thorough.

Context is that Shiori and Soujirou were getting stomped by Taikyoku-less Akuro to the point where Shiori's arm got corroded when she hit him, so...ye. Soujirou attacks him, but it does nothing and he notices that it's because of a sense of disconnection along with him existing in "another phase in physics". They then use the picture to reality analogy to explain how higher dimensions work and state that attacks from a higher dimension to a lower dimension are easier to pass than twisting a baby's hand. Basically, the relation between Akuro and Soujirou was like a higher dimension to a lower dimension.

 

[PrinceofPein]

It isn't, tho...it's coming directly from the nature of Metsujin Messo, it isn't merely because of strength.

Wait what?

"Yes, you should know. This is the real me. This is who I am. I need no special abilities.

Stopping time? Leading the Shura? Manipulating all the universe and its stars, eternally repeating it over and over?

What is that? What are those? Why are you trying to be so crafty? Is it because you are weak, bored, or perhaps that you wanted to distort a setting to make yourself think you're smart? You'r so narrow-minded and sly.

So dumbfounded are these theoretical concepts, meanings, and phenomena that I can't even speak about them.

What, did you even raise an egg with that kind of stuff?

Compatibility of abilities? Absurd. The dangerous factor of using your powers? What a fool. You are caught up in such things that you can't reach the very depths of the Throne.

Compatability is meaningless when it comes to the order of mass, where magnitudes are so different from each other, and a power that is dangerous to use is simply a defective product that cannot be used.............

Hence, Hajun was born and came to possess Taikyoku.

The strongest and most invincible, through and through. No matter who it was, it was all Metsujin Messo--it was power, purely power!

I wanted the power to wipe away all traces of this unpleasant trash.

Hajun's Heaven was only for me!



This was reizen talking about Hajun btw.

His metsujin messo means total annihilation like literally that, and it just means kill everyone in his path, him suppressing everyone else and someone like yato was due to taikyoku number and craving, if he and yato had the same number of taikyoku he could not have suppressed anyone

 

[Everything12]

Taikyoku is just a fancy name to refer to the process of becoming God, aka emanating one's Craving as a Law that paints over or is independent of Creation. Taikyoku value is just the strength of one's Craving.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Taikyoku is just a fancy name to refer to the process of becoming God and Taikyo,u value is just the strength of one's Craving.

Yes and the reason why hajun can negate everyone else law is cause he has the strongest craving.


By tomorrow I should post the revision to downgrade and upgrade the gods

 

[PrinceofPein]

Taikyoku having R>F difference is not really a thing and only relevant in emanation in a fight unless you are hajun with immense taikyoku gap, taikyoku is useless in a fight

 

[PrinceofPein]

高次元から低次元への攻撃は、赤子の手を捻るよりも通しやすい。
An attack from a higher dimension to a lower dimension is easier to pass than twisting the hand of a baby.

Please can you help me with the texts in this ones too?


Especially the one for hajun

 

[Catzlaflame]

Please can you help me with the texts in this ones too?


Especially the one for hajun

yea sure, if this is for something important I can actually go through and manually translate it with a dictionary, Or do you just want the machine translation.

 

[Everything12]

Machine transkate then if its important or unclead based off that then manual is probably best

 

[PrinceofPein]

yea sure, if this is for something important I can actually go through and manually translate it with a dictionary, Or do you just want the machine translation.

Well it is for the upcoming revision of the gods into countless 1B, but any translation is fine really

 

[Catzlaflame]

Well it is for the upcoming revision of the gods into countless 1B, but any translation is fine really

Alrighty then I’ll just do a machina translation since it’ll be faster
First the large text on the side:

“This is the sixth heavenly god of the sixth seat of the sun in a world of the changing of the gods, which has been repeated since the dawn of time. In the story, he is the absolute god of the universe, and he was born in the civilian hierarchy of what is now called Heaven # 1 country. He was taken in by a certain demon, who gave him the divine name of hajun, and locked him up in the depths of the earth so that he could become an immediate point of reference. From his birth until now, he has never had the right to enter the world. And he himself did not even see anything other than himself.

the much smaller text says:

“Great world of greed Tengu Doshin, Brother of Mara. Perpiyasu Shukusei Shoaichara, Immeasurable taiji

 

[Everything12]

So basically nothing new and nothing relevant to the Singularity.

 

[PrinceofPein]

So basically nothing new and nothing relevant to the Singularity.

Well it helps the singularity depth of hajun is cause he is the strongest God, and the scans backs up hajun being the strongest god

 

[PrinceofPein]

Alrighty then I’ll just do a machina translation since it’ll be faster
First the large text on the side:

“This is the sixth heavenly god of the sixth seat of the sun in a world of the changing of the gods, which has been repeated since the dawn of time. In the story, he is the absolute god of the universe, and he was born in the civilian hierarchy of what is now called Heaven # 1 country. He was taken in by a certain demon, who gave him the divine name of hajun, and locked him up in the depths of the earth so that he could become an immediate point of reference. From his birth until now, he has never had the right to enter the world. And he himself did not even see anything other than himself.

the much smaller text says:

“Great world of greed Tengu Doshin, Brother of Mara. Perpiyasu Shukusei Shoaichara, Immeasurable taiji

Funny enough it is the smaller text I needed☺