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Shigaraki Vs Blackbeard

Assuming this is Shigaraki with AFO's fighting experience, he should be able to get around this weak ass defense move and desintegrate him immediately.

He doesn't even need to get close, any physical Quirk that hits BB should be able to transmit Decay to his body.
 
doesn't Shiggy touch the ground and BB dies immediately by touching even the smallest disintegrating amount of debris

BB can't kill him before Decay can
 
KingTempest said:
You know this is him with the gura, so he can defend against that
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His initial action will be touching Shigaraki to stop the growths cause he doesn’t know they aren’t a DF ability he can null.

When Shigaraki blasts fingers at him and BB touches them thinking he can neg them, he gets swarmed. He won’t get decayed if he’s still touching them but that doesn’t get the fingers off him.

If BB destroys the fingers with the Gura Gura or Black Hole, then Shigaraki gets all his Quirks back and Marineford goes bye bye in an instant because he’s sprouting infinite hands all over the place as well as on BB.

Also, important Quirk I forgot about: Impact Recoil. If BB isn’t touching Shigaraki and tries to hit him with the Gura Gura, Impact Recoil negs and reflects it back at BB. All of his hands/flesh would be protected by this Quirk so he can’t even destroy them unless he’s in direct contact with them. If not, he is just blasting himself with his own power and Shigaraki takes no damage.
DaReaperMan said:
Read.
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Gura only works on defending against the fingers, it does nothing to him being decayed from the ground.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
His initial action will be touching Shigaraki to stop the growths cause he doesn’t know they aren’t a DF ability he can null.

When Shigaraki blasts fingers at him and BB touches them thinking he can neg them, he gets swarmed. He won’t get decayed if he’s still touching them but that doesn’t get the fingers off him.

If BB destroys the fingers with the Gura Gura or Black Hole, then Shigaraki gets all his Quirks back and Marineford goes bye bye in an instant because he’s sprouting infinite hands all over the place as well as on BB.

Also, important Quirk I forgot about: Impact Recoil. If BB isn’t touching Shigaraki and tries to hit him with the Gura Gura, Impact Recoil negs and reflects it back at BB. All of his hands/flesh would be protected by this Quirk so he can’t even destroy them unless he’s in direct contact with them. If not, he is just blasting himself with his own power and Shigaraki takes no damage.

Gura only works on defending against the fingers, it does nothing to him being decayed from the ground.
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Impact recoil likely gets overwhelmed and shattered
 
Abysswalker2126 said:
Impact recoil likely gets overwhelmed and shattered
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Why if it’s hundreds to thousands of individual pieces of flesh that each are capable of impact recoil the same way each of them can use decay. And when has impact recoil ever been overwhelmed in the first place, BB isn’t anywhere close to being so much stronger that brute force breaking through it is an argument.

That also doesn’t address that the attacks that DO get stopped are reflected at BB so he’s taking damage either way.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Why if it’s hundreds to thousands of individual pieces of flesh that each are capable of impact recoil the same way each of them can use decay. And when has impact recoil ever been overwhelmed in the first place, BB isn’t anywhere close to being so much stronger that brute force breaking through it is an argument.

That also doesn’t address that the attacks that DO get stopped are reflected at BB so he’s taking damage either way.
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Dura neg and 1.5x AP difference has a good chance of breaking through, certainly didn’t stop deku from beating his ass
 
I don’t understand how Shiggy spawning extra hands helps him.

The hands can’t do anything to Blackbeard once pulled into his darkness, Blackbeard pulled like however many people using his darkness when he raided impel down and none of those guys could like punch or bite or even touch Blackbeard cause of his vortex.

And Blackbeard can expand his adarkness to like half an island’s size pre-time skip so…
 
Abysswalker2126 said:
Dura neg and 1.5x AP difference has a good chance of breaking through, certainly didn’t stop deku from beating his ass
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It’s dura neg because they’re shockwaves that travel through your body, impact recoil would just stop that from happening by bouncing back the shockwave, and since there’s literally thousands of individual pieces of flesh that would be capable of using his Quirks, they would all individually reflect the attack with no damage to them actually being done, or at the least none of it reaching his main body.

1.5x AP difference means practically nothing, Shigaraki can evolve to be stronger than BB within a few seconds if he ever takes damage because he would just grasp a better form.

He didn’t have Quirks when Deku fought him so that’s irrelevant.
Maitreya said:
I don’t understand how Shiggy spawning extra hands helps him.

The hands can’t do anything to Blackbeard once pulled into his darkness, Blackbeard pulled like however many people using his darkness when he raided impel down and none of those guys could like punch or bite or even touch Blackbeard cause of his vortex.

And Blackbeard can expand his adarkness to like half an island’s size pre-time skip so…
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Because Shigaraki can spawn an infinite number of them with no actual limit to his growth and near instantly cover hundreds of meters just from an initial creation of them? The only reason he didn’t drown all of UA with them is because he was fighting 8 people with none of his Quirks active so they were capable of destroying huge chunks since his many options to instantaneously kill them all weren’t available to him? On top of the super decay wave that is spawned from touching the ground since every single hand he has can use his Quirks so he kills BB at the start of the fight just by destroying the island?

The hands use impact recoil and Gura shockwaves get blocked and blown back at BB. Sucking them into his darkness doesn’t do anything because Shigaraki can instantly spawn more of them that will be stronger than before cause they evolve. Sucking them away doesn’t stop his decay wave from deleting the island and ignores that Tomura can just jump away hundreds of km in an instant, then jump back to nuke BB with an attack bigger than anything BB has in his arsenal.

Shigaraki’s main goal, in any fight he is in, is destroying everything. If he just destroys Marineford with any of his numerous ways to delete it, BB sinks.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Because Shigaraki can spawn an infinite number of them with no actual limit to his growth and near instantly cover hundreds of meters just from an initial creation of them?
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Blackbeard being able to cover half an island instantly with his darkness supersedes any distance Shigaraki is able to cover by spawning his hands instantly from what I’ve seen. Also since these hands don’t actually scale to Shigaraki’s main body they might just be drilled off of Shigaraki due to the force of the gravity itself, making them useless.
Kingofwolves999 said:
The hands use impact recoil and Gura shockwaves get blocked and blown back at BB
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I don’t think impact recoil has ever been demonstrated to block durability negating shockwaves, especially ones that crack and travel straight through the air. And making more hands would be pretty useless here for BB since they minute they’re made they can just be instantly ripped off via vortex. Can’t decay if they can’t touch anything besides darkness, especially not when attached to Shigaraki’s body too. And Blackbeard’s observation haki should notify him anytime Shigaraki attempts at doing anything that would put him in serious danger.
 
Per SBA, both of them will start 4 kilometers away from each other. Shigaraki's first move is always to touch the ground and decay everything, even before his growing hands. Note: That currently Shigaraki hasn't been shown to use his Growth again as of this moment, however his Growth is only High 6-C as of now.

Honestly I feel like Complete Shigaraki should be on hold here, we haven't seen the full extent of his abilities.
 
Honestly the location is probably gonna be the deciding factor here. The ground getting decayed and BB drowning is a viable and likely wincon
 
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