Shibai Ōtsutsuki vs 666:Satan - Ōtsutsuki God vs The Champion Among Gods

[Deceived3596]

Perimeters:
SBA
Speed Equalized
Second Phase Satan is being used.

Combatants:
Shibai Ōtsutsuki

vs

666:Satan

Voting:
Naruto God: @Samlex1234
Highschool Satan: @azontr, @KingogKings777, @GodSinBad2280, @DavidTPPM, @Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye, @Yeolban, @Wesker018, @Success0906, @Pearly0nsams, @Testarossa002
Inconclusive: @karo_senpaii, @KaydeeX, @Iabihs

 

[Samlex1234]

 

[KingogKings777]

Satan wins likely due to fear hax and copying.

 

[azontr]

Shibai lacks a telepathy resistance and a power mimicry resistance, so i think most of his abilities are viable to get copied.

 

[Samlex1234]

Shibai Main wins cons

1. Intent reflection
2. Empathetic, Memory, and Mind manipulation via reality warping


Scenario 1, the match starts with Shibai entering his dimension to use prescience. Based on this he knows every move his opponent has. Comes out of the dimension and immediately puts satan under omnipotence.


Scenario 2, satan's intentions just reflect back to him since the end result of copying Shibai’s ability would be to harm Shibai and the reflection is instantaneous.

So think of it this way satan says in his mind let me read his mind so I can copy his abilities and use them to harm him. Immediately Shibai's ability picks up that intent, even before satan can use his ability.

 

[azontr]

Intent reflection requires Shibai to be touching his opponent, no? I don't think it'll be a viable option.

 

[Samlex1234]

Intent reflection requires Shibai to be touching his opponent, no? I don't think it'll be a viable option.

Shibai has two abilities Attack reflection (This requires him to be touching someone )
Intent Reflection (This doesn't )

 

[azontr]

No, Intent Reflection very explicitly requires contact. Shibai's page links to Daemon's page, the guy who has Intent Reflection, and it's very clear in Daemon's weaknesses that he must be touching an opponent to activate the ability. Shibai's weaknesses even explicitly note that his Shinjutsu maintain the original limitations.

 

[Samlex1234]

No, Intent Reflection very explicitly requires contact. Shibai's page links to Daemon's page, the guy who has Intent Reflection, and it's very clear in Daemon's weaknesses that he must be touching an opponent to activate the ability. Shibai's weaknesses even explicitly note that his Shinjutsu maintain the original limitations.

Ohh yeah that needs to be Changed. The ability recently got an upgrade

Shinjutsu:

• Attack Reflection, Causality Manipulationand Limited Reality Warpin

Thread 'Boruto ability CRT (For Daemon)'

Dec 30, 2024

Been a while since I made one of these. The thread itself is quick and I have wanted to make it for a while ever since I first saw Daemon had a profile. I was reminded after seeing a comment on it in the Naruto and Boruto discussion thread.

Simply put Daemon and by extension Shibai should get Causality Manipulation and Reality Warping with their attack reflection. As it does not just reflect the attack like normal ie bouncing it back like a projectile or even teleporting the attack it you. It reflects the end result as said by the people that know the ability best.

Here are...

• Rocker1189
• boruto (verse) naruto (the universe)
• Replies: 42
• Forum: Content Revision

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[azontr]

There's nothing in that CRT that says anything about removing the weakness from the profile.

 

[Samlex1234]

There's nothing in that CRT that says anything about removing the weakness from the profile.

Unless satan has resistance to Casualty Manipulation he is not bypassing the ability.

 

[azontr]

He doesn't need to bypass it, he just needs to not let Shibai touch him, then it won't mean anything anyways.

 

[Samlex1234]

He doesn't need to bypass it, he just needs to not let Shibai touch him, then it won't mean anything anyways.

That is for the Attack reflection not intent reflection. They just forgot to remove the weakness for the intent reflection.

 

[azontr]

That is for the Attack reflection not intent reflection. They just forgot to remove the weakness for the intent reflection.

Okay, but that's not for attack reflection. It's explicitly for intent reflection. The scan on the highlighted text is a feat from Daemon, who has the weakness which SPECIFICALLY applies to Intent Reflection.

So either the ability is inconsistent, or you are lying.

 

[GodSinBad2280]

The stomp match Satan wins.

 

[Samlex1234]

Okay, but that's not for attack reflection. It's explicitly for intent reflection. The scan on the highlighted text is a feat from Daemon, who has the weakness which SPECIFICALLY applies to Intent Reflection.

So either the ability is inconsistent, or you are lying.

Whew… please can this be put on hold until someone add the updated upgrades/Info, if not arguing is pointless.

 

[azontr]

Nothing in the CRT you linked me says anything about removing the weakness, so no, there's no need to put anything on hold at all. In fact, the upgrade seems to have already been applied since Shibai and Daemon have causality manipulation now. So nah, we're good.

 

[azontr]

What

 

[KingogKings777]

Shibai lacks a telepathy resistance and a power mimicry resistance, so i think most of his abilities are viable to get copied.

Iirc he has telepathy resistance(mind manip resistance right?) through Byakugan, and being immune to omnipotence, there is also genjutsu nullification too.

 

[azontr]

Iirc he has telepathy resistance(mind manip resistance right?) through Byakugan, and being immune to omnipotence, there is also genjutsu nullification too.

Satan's not manipulating Shibai's mind, he's just peering into it and reading it. Being able to resist illusions or mind control wouldn't help you resist someone reading your thoughts.

 

[GodSinBad2280]

Causality reflection can reveal the outcomes of intent, but it becomes useless if the other party conceals their intentions and thoughts.

Okay, but that's not for attack reflection. It's explicitly for intent reflection. The scan on the highlighted text is a feat from Daemon, who has the weakness which SPECIFICALLY applies to Intent Reflection.

So either the ability is inconsistent, or you are lying.

 

[azontr]

Satan can't do that so why are you bringing it up

 

[Samlex1234]

Alright, we all argued under the assumption that the weakness was removed in the Zeref match-up. I guess there is a lot of confusion thus that match needs to be remade and should be deemed inconclusive. In regards to this match up, my first scenario still stands as satan does not resist reality warping.

 

[Samlex1234]

Also what is stopping Shibai from shrinking himself and erasing his presence proceeding to spam Charkra rods and when he is done he BFR satan to his timeless dimension . By the way, he bypasses durability by shrinking his chakra rods.

 

[azontr]

what is stopping Shibai

What stops Shibai from doing basically anything is the fact that Satan is 700 billion times stronger than him and can simply breathe on him to basically eviscerate him. Erasing your presence doesn't really mean anything when your opponent can twitch their pinky finger and end you from a mile away.

 

[Samlex1234]

What stops Shibai from doing basically anything is the fact that Satan is 700 billion times stronger than him and can simply breathe on him to basically eviscerate him. Erasing your presence doesn't really mean anything when your opponent can twitch their pinky finger and end you from a mile away.

Huh?

 

[karo_senpaii]

Shibai lacks a telepathy resistance and a power mimicry resistance, so i think most of his abilities are viable to get copied.

No. Sharingan can also copy abilities but they can't copy kekkei genkai. Also I'm pretty sure ninjutsu is an attempt at copying shinjutsu and that still failed. Not to mention can Satan copy casuality man or RW? .

I'm neutral for now though. Wanna see more arguments

 

[Samlex1234]

 

[azontr]

No. Sharingan can also copy abilities but they can't copy kekkei genkai

Sharingan is technique mimicry. It obviously wouldn't be able to copy biological traits such as a Kekkei Genkai.

I'm pretty sure ninjutsu is an attempt at copying shinjutsu and that still failed.

Doesn't mean anything. That simply means whoever tried copying it lacked the capacity (or literally just power mimicry).

 

[DavidTPPM]

Uhm that's the wrong GoH tag. Anyway since we're doing passive hax brainrot I'm afraid Shibai is collapsing from Satans passive fear aura alone.

(or he just gets beaten to death by 2 quintillion Satan clones)

 

[azontr]

Uhm that's the wrong GoH tag. Anyway since we're doing passive hax brainrot I'm afraid Shibai is collapsing from Satans passive fear aura alone.

Shibai has fear resistance.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Shibai has fear resistance.

Satans fear hax have like 3 accepted layers of potency rn so we're chilling

 

[azontr]

Uh, can you link where that was accepted? It's also not on the profile.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Sharingan is technique mimicry. It obviously wouldn't be able to copy biological traits such as a Kekkei Genkai.

Doesn't mean anything. That simply means whoever tried copying it lacked the capacity (or literally just power mimicry).

1. I never said it does. What's your point?
2. No , in ninjutsu itself there are several power mimicry and technique copy so that isn't the problem. It just can't be copied normally.

Also there's still the big problem of has Satan shown ability to copy stuff like RW? Or Casuality manipulation? Scratch that, let's go down to time stop first.

Uhm that's the wrong GoH tag. Anyway since we're doing passive hax brainrot I'm afraid Shibai is collapsing from Satans passive fear aura alone.

(or he just gets beaten to death by 2 quintillion Satan clones)

Shibai has fear resistance. NGl i think this just depends on starting move. I don't even think satan would start with clones. Shibai is weaker than him , he'd sense it and there'd be no need. He'd read shibai mind and try to copy omnipotence which is a bad idea

 

[DavidTPPM]

Shibai has fear resistance.

So far Satans FM is accepted as = Gods > bishops > priests > followers = baseline. So baseline fear resistance isn't saving him

NGl i think this just depends on starting move. I don't even think satan would start with clones. Shibai is weaker than him , he'd sense it and there'd be no need.

Fun fact, raw power isn't all that contributes to "power" in GoH. Techniques and abilities do as well, meaning if Shibai can one tap Satan he'd most likely see him as insanely powerful.

He'd read shibai mind and try to copy omnipotence which is a bad idea

Why is it a bad idea?

 

[azontr]

1. I never said it does. What's your point?

The point is that the argument that Sharingan being unable to copy Shibai's abilities isn't because Shibai or whatever Jutsu he uses has a resistance, but because the Sharingan literally cannot copy innate or biological abilities.

2. No , in ninjutsu itself there are several power mimicry and technique copy so that isn't the problem. It just can't be copied normally.

Which means nothing unless you can provide evidence explicitly that someone attempted to use a power mimicry ability on Shibai's abilities and failed. Not to mention the fact that I'm pretty sure there's no Jutsu that allows straight power mimicry, just technique mimicry, like idk the Sharingan.

Also there's still the big problem of has Satan shown ability to copy stuff like RW? Or Casuality manipulation? Scratch that, let's go down to time stop first.

Satan can copy basically any ability in GoH, including both Time Stop and Reality Warping. The only characters outside of his copy range would be the tier 2's with 4-D hax. Idk about causality stuff but the other two should easily be within Satan's repertoire.

 

[karo_senpaii]

So far Satans FM is accepted as = Gods > bishops > priests > followers = baseline. So baseline fear resistance isn't saving him

Fun fact, raw power isn't all that contributes to "power" in GoH. Techniques and abilities do as well, meaning if Shibai can one tap Satan he'd most likely see him as insanely powerful.

Why is it a bad idea?

1. Is it accepted in the layering thread?
Naruto does have layers but no one ever bothered to apply.
I doubt if it matters, omipotence would still kick in immediately as it also works subconsciously.

2. You'd have to give me an instance coz I'm pretty sure for satans case it's specifically raw power.

3. He'd try to copy it and fail. That in itself has given shibai enough time for a number of wincons I.e EM or heck just sending him to daikokuten dimension.

The point is that the argument that Sharingan being unable to copy Shibai's abilities isn't because Shibai or whatever Jutsu he uses has a resistance, but because the Sharingan literally cannot copy innate or biological abilities.

Which means nothing unless you can provide evidence explicitly that someone attempted to use a power mimicry ability on Shibai's abilities and failed. Not to mention the fact that I'm pretty sure there's no Jutsu that allows straight power mimicry, just technique mimicry, like idk the Sharingan.

Satan can copy basically any ability in GoH, including both Time Stop and Reality Warping. The only characters outside of his copy range would be the tier 2's with 4-D hax. Idk about causality stuff but the other two should easily be within Satan's repertoire.

1. You'd have to proof they are biological traits.
2. Trying to copy stuff like RW , EE, mind manipulation e.t.c is itself powrr mimicry. They did copy it, stated by amado. They just couldn't get the real thing but a close imitation.
3. This is just being disingenuous. If he could then he would have an at least possibly (all goh abilities).

 

[azontr]

You'd have to proof they are biological traits.

Prove that kekkei genkai, abilities limited to a specific bloodline (your blood is your biology btw), are biological traits??

Trying to copy stuff like RW , EE, mind manipulation e.t.c is itself powrr mimicry. They did copy it, stated by amado. They just couldn't get the real thing but a close imitation.

No it's not. Power mimicry is a specific ability meant for mimicking abilities, like Garou's or idk Satan. What they did was try and reproduce it via their own means, which is a mimicry yes, but you don't need power mimicry to attempt to recreate something and fail.

This is just being disingenuous. If he could then he would have an at least possibly (all goh abilities).

No he wouldn't, because he hasn't fought all GoH characters?? He can't copy every single ability in the verse, he lives in another dimension.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Prove that kekkei genkai, abilities limited to a specific bloodline (your blood is your biology btw), are biological traits??

No it's not. Power mimicry is a specific ability meant for mimicking abilities, like Garou's or idk Satan. What they did was try and reproduce it via their own means, which is a mimicry yes, but you don't need power mimicry to attempt to recreate something and fail.

No he wouldn't, because he hasn't fought all GoH characters?? He can't copy every single ability in the verse, he lives in another dimension.

1. No prove shinjutsu are biological traits and hence fall under the category of sharingan weakness.

2. Mimicking someone's power is power mimicry simple. Don't stretch anything needlessly. They tried to mimic a power but failed. Simple. They can in fact mimic people's powers normally that's power mimicry.

3. Then it's simply a NLf to assume he can mimic complex abilities like CM and RW just coz someone in the verse has it. Not to mention if I recall isn't it only supreme gods that even have RW?

 

[azontr]

No prove shinjutsu are biological traits and hence fall under the category of sharingan weakness.

Why are you talking about Shinjutsu now? We're talking about Kekkei Genkai, which you brought up:

No. Sharingan can also copy abilities but they can't copy kekkei genkai.

In case you forgot. Shinjutsu is an entirely different part of the debate.

Mimicking someone's power is power mimicry simple. Don't stretch anything needlessly.

I'm not stretching anything, I'm using basic reasoning. Trying to recreate something is not power mimicry, objectively, and it's not an argument I'm planning to have.

Then it's simply a NLf to assume he can mimic complex abilities like CM and RW just coz someone in the verse has it. Not to mention if I recall isn't it only supreme gods that even have RW?

It would be an NLF to assume he can copy anything outside of his own verse. It's not an NLF to assume he can copy abilities from people in his own verse when he's copied abilities from people near the very top of the GoH pecking order. If he can copy Mujin Park's abilities he can copy the random guy Mori beat the hell out of in the first 60 something chapters.

And no, not only the Supreme Gods have it.