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Shea Haulia VS Garou (Hopefully fair)
- Thread starter azontr
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I was planning to do it in the skill thread at some point (she is one of the characters I plan to propose for a spot, along with two others from the verse that she upscale), so better wait to that and that the revisions are applied.
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She sees in the future that Garou evolves past her and obliterates, GG.
If this is anything like how it is in the manga, Garou fighting someone stronger than himself right now is going to evolve him to an insane level.
If she also evolves, is just going to pull him up to a even greater degree. Garou can tier-jump and speed-tier jump.
I don't see how she wins without abilities or hax. Even with the ability to actually see the future, I don't think it helps her that much.
Another thing... Does Shea grow fast in speed?
If this is anything like how it is in the manga, Garou fighting someone stronger than himself right now is going to evolve him to an insane level.
If she also evolves, is just going to pull him up to a even greater degree. Garou can tier-jump and speed-tier jump.
I don't see how she wins without abilities or hax. Even with the ability to actually see the future, I don't think it helps her that much.
Another thing... Does Shea grow fast in speed?
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Yes, she grow in speed, she grow in all senses in general.
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Is there numbers, or is just "she got faster"
Because for Garou... There's numbers. Big numbers.
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Also, just to note her ability to see the future also include the ability to specifically see what she need to do to accomplish her desired future.
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I don't remember specific numbers, just that she grow fast, every second, and that at one second is unable to damage something and the later destroy it do to grow (I think her growth was compared with Hajime at some point, which would help to buff her rpl).
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This is a bit weird because... Well, what exactly is she going to do to reach her desired future? If she only fights in CQC Garou is just going to become way stronger and faster than her.
At that point, what is the future she sees? Does this ability actually help her when facing those far above her level? To a notable degree?
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Garou after Darkshine fight goes from Massively hypersonic+ to FTL in 2 short fights.
The difference there is hundreds if not thousands of times.
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A practical example of this would be when her family was getting hunted, she used her power to see her desired future which was one in which they were saved (which was the future were she meet Hajime and Yue and convice them from helping)
The only enemies truly far above her against who she was completely helpless and that she faced in this key were Ehit and Alva (the later who although share her tier is actually very haxed so that was the main problem), against everything else she finded a way to win.
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If you believe he will blitz then the speed can be unequalized, though in that case he will need to reach 6147.36xMFTL+ pretty fast.
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Well the moment I brought up Garou's speed acceleration he seemed to think it was a blitz...
Which I mean, it would become if all Shea has is incalculable statements.
Another thing. So Shea has lost despite her being able to see the future. Can you explain why she was hopeless in those situations?
Which I mean, it would become if all Shea has is incalculable statements.
Another thing. So Shea has lost despite her being able to see the future. Can you explain why she was hopeless in those situations?
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I mean, he have matches added in his profile despite supposedly evolve so absurdly fast speed wise that he become ftl, one of those loses was even Luffy who have unquantifiable speed amps while Shea have a 3x amp + unquantifiable amps (her body strengthening) + her own fast grow, so I don't think he will blitz so fast as you make it seem.
I put the profiles of the enemies against who she lost, one was the god tier of the verse and the other right hand man of said god tier, both were absolutely broken hax wise and even stat wise (in Ehit case at least), she and everyone else had lost their artifacts and they were already in a checkmate at the beginning, a situation completely different from this one (and even then she could really give some fight because by pure will she adapted to resist haxs and was growing so fast each second that Alva in the end needed to go seriously despite his personality).
EL_xWatcher1234x
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damn they both keep evolving
EL_xWatcher1234x
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bump
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3x amp + unquantifiable stuff doesn't equate to Garou's 100x+ speed amplification via Reactive Evolution.
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You are also ignoring her precog + ability to know what is the right thing to do, everything together which were the same reason to why it was decided that Luffy defeat Garou (it actually better because while Luffy only had unquantifiable amps Shea also have quantifiable ones, and her future sight is straight up better than Luffy one do to let her specifically see her desired future), so don't really see why it would be a different outcome with Shea.
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Let's not go back to the Luffy match which was incredibly biased and shouldn't be on the page in the first place.
Argue here, don't bring up other matches.
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If you believe so then prove them and have the match removed from the profile.
I already did though, I said the various advantages that Shea have, you just decided not believe them saying 'Nah, the instant the match begin Garou will be more than 100x faster', which I decided not believe (though just in case I proposed an alternative with speed unequal since you were so confident, which you rejected do to consider it an absolute blitz), I don't see you or me changing our stances so don't know what more is there to argue.
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Let me reword it, I believe that he can potentially reach such increase but don't believe that he can do it instantly as how you are trying to make it seem, also you are deciding not to believe things in her profile so you can't really say that.
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I do believe what's on her page but I don't think her skill or evolution abilities are at the level of Garou.
I also don't think that precognition alone will be enough to close the gap.
EL_xWatcher1234x
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Well, once again, Garou's constant strength and speed evolution seem like too much for Shea IMO.
Sure, it's not "instant" but it's really damn fast. Peak half-monster Garou isn't at his best in terms of RE but he will still eventually blitz and one-shot you. She has unquantifiable amps, yes, but that really isn't enough to deal with Garou, considering his multiple RE feats throughout the series where he jumps multiple tiers in brief timeframes.
Ignoring that, though, can Shea even survive getting her attacks reflected back her twofold every time she throws a punch? Or having her movement disabled by Garou's constant pressure point targetting?
Precognition is neat, but there are a lot of hurdles she has to overcome in those "two seconds" of future sight she has.
Sure, it's not "instant" but it's really damn fast. Peak half-monster Garou isn't at his best in terms of RE but he will still eventually blitz and one-shot you. She has unquantifiable amps, yes, but that really isn't enough to deal with Garou, considering his multiple RE feats throughout the series where he jumps multiple tiers in brief timeframes.
Ignoring that, though, can Shea even survive getting her attacks reflected back her twofold every time she throws a punch? Or having her movement disabled by Garou's constant pressure point targetting?
Precognition is neat, but there are a lot of hurdles she has to overcome in those "two seconds" of future sight she has.
EL_xWatcher1234x
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dude please read her profile
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Gravity magic (the magic practically most used by Yue, her best friend who also trained her making her reach this levels from a pacifist normal human level in ten days) is able to reflect back attacks stronger than before (iirc Spatial Severance for example can do so), and other more miscellaneous magics can also reflect back attacks. Don't know how effective the pressure points will be considering how strengthening magic can not only strengthen organs and more specific part of the body, but also seem to help to recover quickly the body (for example before when she was a normal human level strengthening magic let her recover practically instantly from paralyzing effects of electricity, or recover from scorches and cold similarly fast), though all the previous points are secondary considering how her restoration magic would let her null the effects and recover. She can also just learn about those things with her future sight and even likely learn them herself do to her skill.
The two seconds are actually just her default setting so she don't consume so much mana with each use, but she can easily increase it without really consuming too much more mana, the consumption become a problem when she try to see things days/weeks in the future (though even then with all her mana she could even see things various months in the future).
Also, just forgot but her stealth would likely be also dangerous, since even she is above her whole family in that regard and her family can make their presences so thin that even people with strong senses (both normal senses and extrasensory senses) have problems to see their figures while they are in front of her eyes (she even should scale above the abyss monsters stealth, with each layer monster having a better stealth than the previous layer and the low layers monsters already having stealth that made them invisible and blocked their presence, heat, mana, etc), she can use her stealth in middle of combat.
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Howso? And does Shea use this kind of technique in character?
Strength is pretty irrelevant in the face of pressure points. But if she can recover quickly, sure.
How fast is her restoration? Can she use it with her thoughts? And can she do so indefinitely?
Garou can not see this, so that would be a very quick win for her if she uses it.
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No, Shea can't use the magics that reflect back attacks like the Spatial Severance that I mentioned (this because her affinity for magic is utter trash, she is only able to use magic related to physicals, and she do so really well, which is part of why she is know as a physical monster). However Yue, the best friend of Shea, who also teached her how to fight and against who she regularly fight, can use said magics, Tio can also use reflecting magic (in her case specifically speaking of the wind attribute) and Shea also fight against her, so the point was that Shea should be accustomed to people able to reflect back attacks.
Things like minor wounds, fractures, status effects (like petrification for example), and I think also burns, can heal in seconds with restoration magic, more serious wounds take her a some more time. Is thought based, she only need to think to control her magic power so this time of abilitites only need her to think. She can use restoration magic as long she have mana, like with any other magic.
She usually try to fight more directly since it's more her style and people of her level have crazy senses (like, Hajime party level people can even feel who is one of the best stealth users of the wiki), but even so she still use it when she can, even if is only to hide herself momentarily and confuse the enemy, as show for example in her first on screen fight against Yue in vol 2 when Shea was introduced. So is good possible win con for her.
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I see. Though just because she is accustomed to it doesn't necessarily mean it will be any less effective on her it seems. His ability to reflect her strikes back with 2x the power could be quite detrimental eventually.
Stealth is a very powerful ability on her end, same with restoration.
How is Shea planning on winning this fight, though? If she doesn't kill Garou quickly and early somehow I will once again state that he simply grows past her and ends up one-shotting at some point during the fight. His tier-crossing Reactive Evolution really is no joke. Basically, the only way you kill Garou is by beating him to death very quickly, before he evolves. Which is quite difficult because of his regeneration and ability to shrug off really bad injuries. Precognition will help her but I don't know to what degree. Is it in character for her to precog the entire fight?
Does she have any other hax or anything? Is she going to go for pure physical combat?
Stealth is a very powerful ability on her end, same with restoration.
How is Shea planning on winning this fight, though? If she doesn't kill Garou quickly and early somehow I will once again state that he simply grows past her and ends up one-shotting at some point during the fight. His tier-crossing Reactive Evolution really is no joke. Basically, the only way you kill Garou is by beating him to death very quickly, before he evolves. Which is quite difficult because of his regeneration and ability to shrug off really bad injuries. Precognition will help her but I don't know to what degree. Is it in character for her to precog the entire fight?
Does she have any other hax or anything? Is she going to go for pure physical combat?
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Guess that's a fair point.
Well, putting aside her future sight which could show her a future in which she defeat/kill him, some concrete/specifics ways in which she could end the fight I guess would be by using her initial AP and LS advantage (with the current revision her AP and LS in this key is 578.25 Megatons and 3.30e+11kg, while as far I see in the verse page Garou seem to upscale from 30.05 Megatons and 1.45e+10kg, so a 19.24x and 22.75x difference initial difference respectively without Shea using her Limiter removal which would make it a 38.26x and 68.27x difference) to snap his neck or destroy his head (which is even far more likely if she fire the shot slugs from her hammer directly on his head), she could even use her shockwaves bullets to severely damage (or even destroy) his organs (specially his brain since he can't regen from severe brain damage with his level of regen, though to begin with I'm not sure if he could even heal minor brain damage), things that she can pull and normally do which he can't really cover with his regen in this key.
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