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Also to add but beating clones means absolute nothing btw, Infinite can just make them, Shadow straight up says he can make litmeless of them
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Shallot VS Infinite (Grace)
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It very much matter when it's what he use to hide from someone with stronger AP and a litteral one shotting technique (the soul manip) that even Janemba who could dematerialize couldn't dodge or block, Danmaku one shot all his clones and wound him in a single move and Shallot finish him easily enough once that's done.Theuser789 said:
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Yes, but a 400 times FTL character dodging a move from a 4000000000 times character is also important
Stop with the childish mocking when I am not even doing the same to you, it literaly won't, teleport plus time slow and the attack anti-feats already show it isn't this undogeble tequicnique
He doesn't "summon" them, they are already active in the Phantom Ruby AoE, plus there's still his illusions, closing his eyes won't make him immune to them, and ki sensing is useless because he would just be sensing the energy of the Ruby everywhere
Strawman much? Shallot copied some attacks, Metal copied attacks and much more, literaly not comparable that you keep making it such with childish tantrum
No, they don't have a "source", Sonic isn't Dragon Ball where everything comes from Ki, they don't have the same source, at best chaos powers do, but ESP is not one
I can literaly say the same to you, you don't understand so you keep insulting and using strawmans because you can't accept it works diferentely
No, Metal has feats of copying everyone's bio-data to have all their powers and go from a 5-A to 4-A with just the power mimicry, so no, not at all, Shallot even failed to copy certain things as you said unlike Metal
He can literaly just keep making more, then use Null Space, so yes, it doesn't matter
Stop with the childish mocking when I am not even doing the same to you, it literaly won't, teleport plus time slow and the attack anti-feats already show it isn't this undogeble tequicnique
He doesn't "summon" them, they are already active in the Phantom Ruby AoE, plus there's still his illusions, closing his eyes won't make him immune to them, and ki sensing is useless because he would just be sensing the energy of the Ruby everywhere
Strawman much? Shallot copied some attacks, Metal copied attacks and much more, literaly not comparable that you keep making it such with childish tantrum
No, they don't have a "source", Sonic isn't Dragon Ball where everything comes from Ki, they don't have the same source, at best chaos powers do, but ESP is not one
I can literaly say the same to you, you don't understand so you keep insulting and using strawmans because you can't accept it works diferentely
No, Metal has feats of copying everyone's bio-data to have all their powers and go from a 5-A to 4-A with just the power mimicry, so no, not at all, Shallot even failed to copy certain things as you said unlike Metal
He can literaly just keep making more, then use Null Space, so yes, it doesn't matter
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Infinite FRA, also Infinite's "perception manipulation" is a form of virtual reality rather than simply targeting one's senses.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Wow please chill both sides. We don't want another shitstorm in both Sonic and Dragonball
ShakeResounding
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Sonic v Dragon Ball matches usually go pretty well. Let's not change that
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Agreed.
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Eh................ShakeResounding said:
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W-What?ShakeResounding said:
Gilad_Hyperstar
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I mean, if Goku VS Superman can conclude well, then Sonic VS Dragon Ball can be civil too
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Some people just don't know how to act.
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Good thing Buu was at a normal human's speed while doing that then.
It's not childish mocking, i'm just highlighting how absurd what you're saying is.
It will, teleport won't save him nor his clones from all of the attacks and time slow help but doesn't save him either and only apply for the Shadow clone who didn't use said time slow to save himself from being one shotted.
No, they aren't here by default, he has to bring them, closing his eye and using his extrasensory perception to fight is a basic skill so no, the illusions are useless.
It's not a strawman, that's litteraly what your arguments lead to and no, Metal Sonic didn't copy more, he barely copied as much as Shallot, it is either very much comparable or in Shallot's favor.
No, you can't and i understand very much, i haven't insulted you either and no, i won't accept your random double standard NFL.
They very much have a source, they are all chaos energy based or gene based.
Bio-data won't help with esoteric powers or ki, try again.
Metal has failed to copy stuff numerous time and never retained most of them while Shallot didn't fail to copy anything, he litteraly didn't try for those i mentionned.
Going to 4-A would be impressing if Shallot didn't do the same and if it mattered for this fight.
Who will all get one shotted at the same time while he get wounded again so no, it very much matter.
It's not childish mocking, i'm just highlighting how absurd what you're saying is.
It will, teleport won't save him nor his clones from all of the attacks and time slow help but doesn't save him either and only apply for the Shadow clone who didn't use said time slow to save himself from being one shotted.
No, they aren't here by default, he has to bring them, closing his eye and using his extrasensory perception to fight is a basic skill so no, the illusions are useless.
It's not a strawman, that's litteraly what your arguments lead to and no, Metal Sonic didn't copy more, he barely copied as much as Shallot, it is either very much comparable or in Shallot's favor.
No, you can't and i understand very much, i haven't insulted you either and no, i won't accept your random double standard NFL.
They very much have a source, they are all chaos energy based or gene based.
Bio-data won't help with esoteric powers or ki, try again.
Metal has failed to copy stuff numerous time and never retained most of them while Shallot didn't fail to copy anything, he litteraly didn't try for those i mentionned.
Going to 4-A would be impressing if Shallot didn't do the same and if it mattered for this fight.
Who will all get one shotted at the same time while he get wounded again so no, it very much matter.
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No
During the first Infinite Boss yeah.
Yes but outlier
Big outlier because earlier in the game they were having problems with one Shadow clone
Clones have the AP to keep up with their opponents but not the dura. Name one feat where a clone got hit hard and shrugged off said attack.
Chaos fought Silver and Knuckles and even modern Sonic in the game, Classic is literaly a outlier magnet (Beats the Egg Dragoon, Chaos, and fights the Mega Death Egg Robot)
Knuckles one shot Chaos the second Silver held him still. Besides Chaos 0 is fodder anyway.
Not really, he got beat just as easily as Sonic beat him in Lost World
Zavok needed a machine to damage Sonic and he literally died in a few hits so he got stomped.
No, he took both Sonic and the Avatar and made the latter lose his breath
Sonic was completely fine after the fight and the Avatar lost his breath because he was trying to keep up with Sonic while running.
During the first Infinite Boss yeah.
Yes but outlier
Big outlier because earlier in the game they were having problems with one Shadow clone
Clones have the AP to keep up with their opponents but not the dura. Name one feat where a clone got hit hard and shrugged off said attack.
Chaos fought Silver and Knuckles and even modern Sonic in the game, Classic is literaly a outlier magnet (Beats the Egg Dragoon, Chaos, and fights the Mega Death Egg Robot)
Knuckles one shot Chaos the second Silver held him still. Besides Chaos 0 is fodder anyway.
Not really, he got beat just as easily as Sonic beat him in Lost World
Zavok needed a machine to damage Sonic and he literally died in a few hits so he got stomped.
No, he took both Sonic and the Avatar and made the latter lose his breath
Sonic was completely fine after the fight and the Avatar lost his breath because he was trying to keep up with Sonic while running.
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@Zamasu
Gameplay, because they don't even do anything, Shadow one-shoots Mephiles clones as well
Zavok in the intro, Sonic hits him and he doesn't die
Chaos 0 is not really fodder, I need to make a thread fixing Chaos after yours finishs, and even then fodder gave them trouble
Every boss including the final boss dies in a few hits, that's not a argument, and the machine isn't in the cutscenes
That doesn't mean it's a stomp, Sonic us fine after every boss fight, and the fact the Avatar lost his breath means the fight wasn't a breeze, because he didn't lose in any other time
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Not a excuse when it's the only time we saw that attack
Which is mocking and not a argument, be civil
As seen in Sonic Heroes a time stop doesn't affect everyone if the user doesn't want, since the rest of Team Dark outside of Shadow doesn't get time stopped
It literaly is, "no, it isn't" isn't a argument, and no, I proved so, Metal copied more
Chaos Energy affects Chaos powers, not everything, Sonic isn't Dragon Ball, and "gene based" is literaly your headcanon, Metal can even copy Espio's invisiblility and Rouge's tequicnique, nothing to do with both
Except when they did with harder stuff, you should try again
Mocking is insulting, which you have done so multiple times, and not double standard, I literaly explained why, you are using these as "buzzwords"
Metal has never failed at copying, objectively false and proves you still don't understand
He went 4-A with only power mimicry
Infinite would not stay togheter with his clones, ignoring the fact of his virtual reality and illusions, which Ki sensing wouldn't counter
Gameplay, because they don't even do anything, Shadow one-shoots Mephiles clones as well
Zavok in the intro, Sonic hits him and he doesn't die
Chaos 0 is not really fodder, I need to make a thread fixing Chaos after yours finishs, and even then fodder gave them trouble
Every boss including the final boss dies in a few hits, that's not a argument, and the machine isn't in the cutscenes
That doesn't mean it's a stomp, Sonic us fine after every boss fight, and the fact the Avatar lost his breath means the fight wasn't a breeze, because he didn't lose in any other time
@Drago
Not a excuse when it's the only time we saw that attack
Which is mocking and not a argument, be civil
As seen in Sonic Heroes a time stop doesn't affect everyone if the user doesn't want, since the rest of Team Dark outside of Shadow doesn't get time stopped
It literaly is, "no, it isn't" isn't a argument, and no, I proved so, Metal copied more
Chaos Energy affects Chaos powers, not everything, Sonic isn't Dragon Ball, and "gene based" is literaly your headcanon, Metal can even copy Espio's invisiblility and Rouge's tequicnique, nothing to do with both
Except when they did with harder stuff, you should try again
Mocking is insulting, which you have done so multiple times, and not double standard, I literaly explained why, you are using these as "buzzwords"
Metal has never failed at copying, objectively false and proves you still don't understand
He went 4-A with only power mimicry
Infinite would not stay togheter with his clones, ignoring the fact of his virtual reality and illusions, which Ki sensing wouldn't counter
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If you wanna go by just the cut scenes then fine. Clones get one shot 3 times and survives an attack once during cutscenes. We go by what's consistent so the clones are fodder.
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I am not tho, I am going by both Zamasu
They consistantly aren't fodder and aren't portrayed as such, nice way to ignore my points
They consistantly aren't fodder and aren't portrayed as such, nice way to ignore my points
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Well, Shallot FRA.
Nothing is really stopping Shallot from just spamming Danmaku until he gets everyone (Reminder, millions of attacks at once) and if the real one portals away, that's literally self-BFR if they don't come back. And the moment they come back, they just get nuked again.
Nothing is really stopping Shallot from just spamming Danmaku until he gets everyone (Reminder, millions of attacks at once) and if the real one portals away, that's literally self-BFR if they don't come back. And the moment they come back, they just get nuked again.
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Not like time slow literaly makes the attack easily dodgeble, as well as perception manipulation, which Ki sensing doesn't counter
Anyways is it 4 vs 2 for Infinite or?
Anyways is it 4 vs 2 for Infinite or?
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Does Shallot even starts with human extinction attack? Since it is an attack only Super Buu did
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This is a joke
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Time Slow does jack shit when you're trying to dodge millions of attacks all at once. If dodging slow-motion attacks is so easy, why do people find Super Hot so hard? It's easy right? It isn't.Theuser789 said:
Also not with the current profile he can't.
"Perception Manipulation: Infinite can control the visual and depth perception of his enemies to feed false information to the brain, distorting how to perceive the world around them. Infinite can thus manifest illusions that mimic aspects of reality to a perfect extent, enabling his 'illusions' to physically interact with the world as if they were a part of reality. Infinite is capable of trapping opponents in illusions, induce time loops, cloud an opponent's vision, control the battlefield by creating hazards out of nowhere, and so on."
There's 0 mention on it affecting Ki Sensing nor more specialized forms of sensing. If you want it changed, go ahead but right now Ki Sensing is a 100% counter.
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If the prohectiles are at snail speed then yes, also time stop as well, and ESP to confuse him
I mean, there's nothing to change? It's just he can sense it, but he will just be sensing the Ruby's energy everywhere, so it doesn't affect him the way you are thinking, we already have that in the profile via the Miles Eletric failing to read it
I mean, there's nothing to change? It's just he can sense it, but he will just be sensing the Ruby's energy everywhere, so it doesn't affect him the way you are thinking, we already have that in the profile via the Miles Eletric failing to read it
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Also thisShadowWarrior1999 said:
Gilad_Hyperstar
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I think Infinite got this. Seems unlikely to me that Shallot will use human extinction attack right off the bat. Especially since he's a playable character and as such the player can choose his first move
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As you can see in the screencap, when Infinite activates the Ruby it's energy goes everywhere, as seen here with everything going red, and that red energy is show visualy time and time again to be Infinite's/The Ruby's energy, seen in his aura time and time again, so there's no need for a CRT because it doesn't stop sensing, it's just that his energy is everywhere
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What's the vote count anyway?
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4-2? Shake argued for Infinite but he didn't vote, it's me, you, Shadow, Maverick vs Dragon and Akreious
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Infinite FRA
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Bump
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Infinite FRA.
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Infinite FRA
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