Shallot VS Infinite (Grace)

[Dragomer]

How is Shallot going to cover such a large playing field with thousands of clones of his enemy going around? Seems like that would be a needless expenditure of his ki and doesn't seem reliable.

As i said, Danmaku, the humans extinction attack is litteraly millions of ki blast in a very short ammount of time, thousands of clones is not that hard.

Or he can just make one AOE attack that can cover a continent easily, like pretty much every DB character can do and those don't cost anymore ki than usual.

 

[Theuser789]

Why would Infinite stay where his clones are? He can just open a portal to Null Space while he is hitting the clones

 

[Dragomer]

Why would Infinite stay where his clones are? He can just open a portal to Null Space while he is hitting the clones

The human extinction attack is homing and hit pretty much all the targets at the same time as far as we know.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Didn't the human extinction attack missed Mr. Satan despite him being a human and on earth too?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

And couldn't Infinite escape to null space, coming back behind Shallot and trap him in null space?

 

[Dragomer]

Didn't the human extinction attack missed Mr. Satan despite him being a human and on earth too?

Nope, they explicitly avoided him just like Kid Buu didn't hurt Mr Satan at the start because of Fat Buu inside him, we litteraly see the blast avoid an unmoving Satan and Bee in the anime, not sure about the manga (Legends is accepted to follow Toei DB).

Shallot would sense Infinite re-appearing and just blast him TBH.

 

[Theuser789]

First thing, one ki blast isn't one shotting Infinite, the AP gap isn't that large

 

[Dragomer]

First thing, one ki blast isn't one shotting Infinite, the AP gap isn't that large

But it sure as hell wound him and he won't be hit by only one ki blast if Shallot use the human extinction attack, that make wearing down Shallot very unlikely especialy when it's not really a draining attack as far as we know (unlike the Big Bang Attack or the Makokansappo for exemple.)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Doesn't the human extinction attack hit each target only once?

 

[Dragomer]

Doesn't the human extinction attack hit each target only once?

No, You clearly see dozens of attack turn away from Satan and Chaozu and Tien evading several attack, it only hit once if it insta kill the target.

 

[Theuser789]

If Tien and Chaozu can dodge it sure as hell can Infinite and his copys

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

If it can be avoided with just good reflexes then I'm pretty sure Infinite, someone who can both teleport and quadruple his speed, can do the same.

 

[Dragomer]

Saying Tien and Chaozu only have 'good reflex' is downplay at it's finest.

Also speed is equalized, you can't use speed boosting with speed equalized unless your opponent had originaly lower speed than you (it's a weird rule but it's how it is)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

They're still MUCH slower than Super Buu, and yet they managed to avoid it

 

[Dragomer]

They're still MUCH slower than Super Buu, and yet they managed to avoid it

Super Buu wasn't using his super speed, he was litteraly talking with Videl and Chichi right before that and was waiting in real time (that was even Piccolo's whole plan with his hourglass) and it doesn't miss in DB legends anyway.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Saying Tien and Chaozu only have 'good reflex' is downplay at it's finest.
Also speed is equalized, you can't use speed boosting with speed equalized unless your opponent had originaly lower speed than you (it's a weird rule but it's how it is)

I'm aware Tien and Chiaotzu's reactions don't just boil down to "good reflex", but my point was that them evading the Human Extinction Attack isn't something that Infinite wouldn't be able to replicate.

Also, I'm quite sure that Infinite is faster than High 5-A Shallot without speed equalization, so his speed amps would be valid.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Saying it "doesn't miss in this version" seems a little like NLF with how you're phrasing it. That doesn't mean Infinite can't dodge it, that's just using gameplay mechanics to your benefit

 

[Dragomer]

Saying Tien and Chaozu only have 'good reflex' is downplay at it's finest.
Also speed is equalized, you can't use speed boosting with speed equalized unless your opponent had originaly lower speed than you (it's a weird rule but it's how it is)

I'm aware Tien and Chiaotzu's reactions don't just boil down to "good reflex", but my point was that them evading the Human Extinction Attack isn't something that Infinite wouldn't be able to replicate.
Also, I'm quite sure that Infinite is faster than High 5-A Shallot without speed equalization, so his speed amps would be valid.

I don't see how when it was already hard for them to dodge while Super Buu was aiming at billions of people while at a normal human speed.

I'v seen nothing saying that TBH, what are the accepted numbers for both ?

And Infinite can dodge some of them probably but he'll still take some hit and lose his duplicate in a single move that doesn't even drain Shallot, once again making the 'battle of attrition thing' a bad idea that would still result in Shallot's win, Infinite's best bet is the Null rift to incap Shallot but i doubt that's enough to give him the win most of the time.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Infinite >>> Pre-Forces Sonic > Colors Sonic (Who was stated to be much faster than his Rush self) > Rush Sonic > Adventure Sonic >>>> Casual 5x FTL

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Infinite can just continuously create clones to replace the ones that are defeated.

 

[Theuser789]

The only characters who didn't dodge that attack where regular humans, everyone conpetent did, Infinite and Shadow and Metal replicas can just teleport to avoid it, Chaos turn into water, only Zavok would have troubles

Can't forget that every replica has the same powers of the originals, so each Metal copy can copy the attack and use it against him at the same time

 

[Dragomer]

And Shallot can just continuously blast his mere thousands and Infinite himself with a technique made to kill billion, clearly outpacing Infinite in that area.

They can teleport to avoid one, two or even ten, they're still getting hit and hurt by some and Chaos turning into water wouldn't protect him at all.

Saying they can copy his attack is like saying Shallot can copy Infinite's clones, his null rift and teleportation just because he has power mimicry.

 

[Theuser789]

Yes, a tequicnique that literaly anyone competent can dodge it and only regular humans were hit on it

 

[Dragomer]

Yes, a tequicnique that literaly anyone competent can dodge it and only regular humans were hit on it

While used by Super Buu at litteraly speed that Videl can follow and when used in DB legends still hit characters who are just as fast or faster than Shallot himself.

Chaozu and Tien are more than 'competent' at this point in the story, they'd one shot both the characters present here, the toeiverse version at least.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I'm just here to say that Infinite clones are glass cannons.

 

[Theuser789]

Yet the diference between Buu and both is gigantic, so they being strong is not relevant, what is relevant is that weaker characters can dodge it, and they have teleportation and time stop as well

They really wouldn't, especialy since some can even stop time or just slow it down so that the blasts move at Snail speed

Bro, Chaos is water, he can turn himself into puddles and separate part of his body, heck, he could just go underground like he does in SA

Bro, Metal literaly copys people's attacks daily, he literaly has and can copy him, Metal has copied Chaos Control, ESP, etc. By looking, that's literaly the plot of Heroes

 

[Theuser789]

I'm just here to say that Infinite clones are glass cannons.

They aren't, literaly one cutscene versus several other, boss fights and statments

 

[Dragomer]

Not while Buu was litteraly no using a single ounce of power or speed to the point VIDEL saw him move and use ki blast and he was watching normal ass sand fall in real time.

'weaker characters' Buu saga Toei Chaozu would one shot Infinite and Shallot casualy.

Except someone weaker has never dodged it in an actual fight where the combattant where actualy using their super speed like in DB Legends.

They really would since they have low durability and so would get one shotted by an hit which would happen since they are barely thousands while there are billions of ki blast.

Awesome, being water still won't protect him from a ki blast, even if taken to the hightly high end wanking, Shallot has NPI.

Bro, Shallot litteraly copy people's attack daily, he litteraly has and can copy him, Shallot has copied every single ki based attack.

Metal copied stuff unrelated to ki just like Shallot copied stuff unrelated to Hedgehog power, either he can't copy ki technique or Shallot is copying every single one of their abilities like he did with ki attacks and that doesn't end well for Infinite either way.

 

[Theuser789]

Yeah, this doesn't change my point, weaker characters than Buu could dodge his attack, characters weaker than him by millions could

That's a big NLF, literaly copy Shadow can use Chaos Control to slow down time so they can easily dodge it, and he has no counter to that

That wasn't my point, it would make it easier for him to dodge

Mocking is not a argument, especialy since you seem to barely know anything about how is power mimicry works

"Hedgehog Power" isn't a thing that exists, Metal copys people's data, he doesn't copy a special thing like Ki, can Shallot copy bio-data of people or just attacks? Because Metal can do both, nothing stops him from copying his data and using his attacks

 

[Dragomer]

Weaker characters who were in combat mode while Buu wasn't to the point he was litteraly at the same speed as a human like Videl, remember how that turned out for SSJB Goku ? and those characters are still stronger than both characters we are talking about.

That's not an NFL, it's a counter point to your 'it can't ever touch anyone !' nonsense.

You're the one throwing an NFL, just because a copy (I don't see how he would copy people who aren't here) can slow down time (not even on Infinite's profile) for himself doesn't mean they suddenly dodge billions of attacks.

Explaining the absurdity of your reasoning is an argument.

I never said it was, it still is an apt description of what he copied.

Good luck having data on Shallot before being one shotted and he could have all the data in existence, he stil isn't copying any ki attack unless Shallot in return copy everything they have like he did to everyone in his own game.

Copying bio-data doesn't make you access ki attacks, try again.

A lot stop him, like nothing of what he copied being anything like ki, stop trying to go full NFL on power mimicry because even if we accept it, it just help Shallot more.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Infinite casually stomped someone who's already casually above 3.7 Ninatons. There is no one-shotting happening here.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I'm just here to say that Infinite clones are glass cannons.

They aren't, literaly one cutscene versus several other, boss fights and statments

Sonic one shot all of Infinite's clones.

Shadow one shot his clone.

Several Clones got one shot during the final battle/war.

Chaos got one shot.

Zavok got stomped.

Metal Sonic got stomped.

ƒÿÉ

 

[Dragomer]

Infinite casually stomped someone who's already casually above 3.7 Ninatons. There is no one-shotting happening here.

His clones are glass canon and he is 5-A while Shallot is hight 5-A, Shallot very much has the AP advantage potentialy to a one shotting degree so he is at least one shotting the clones.

 

[ShakeResounding]

I'm referring to Infinite. He can't one-shot somebody who's so casually above somebody who's also very casually above 3.7 Ninatons, I'm not talking about the clones.

 

[Dragomer]

I'm referring to Infinite. He can't one-shot somebody who's so casually above somebody who's also very casually above 3.7 Ninatons, I'm not talking about the clones.

I never said he one shotted, i said he is wounding him severaly with any attack that land and one shot all the clones either with the extermination attack or a continent wide AOE, both of which aren't even draining.

 

[ShakeResounding]

No, I actually just read your other previous post wrong. I thought you were referring to Infinite, not a Metal Clone

 

[Theuser789]

They being stronger literaly doesn't matter because they were weaker to the character actualy using the attack, and using "he was barely trying" isn't a good idea because that's literaly the only time the attack was used

"Never dodged" is one but I digress

That's not a NLF, at all, Infinite literal made copys of those characters in the game, even characters he never met (Chaos, Zavok), and the copys have the same powers as the originals, as stated by Silver, and Shadow and Metal do have it in their profiles, and you are underestimating time slow, dodging a bunch of snails when you can teleport is easy, not even talking about how they can just go ham on him before the attack even lands in the first place

No, it was not, because they don't have something like Ki, Metal copied abilities he didn't have, he copied Silver's telephathy, something he himself doesn't have, he copied Chaos Control, something he himself didn't have, this isn't Dragon Ball with a ki energy for every attack, all those characters have their own moves that only they can use, and there's thousands of them who can copy him lol

This doesn't work like you think it does "Well your character can't copy because otherwise my character would" because they have very clear diferent feats of power mimicry and Metal has copied individual special abilities before that he shouldn't be able to in your logic like ESP

It's literaly not a NLF, it's you lacking a clear understanding of how a ability works for certain characters and acting as if it works the same way, there's no accepting it because they are very clear diferent powers

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I'm referring to Infinite. He can't one-shot somebody who's so casually above somebody who's also very casually above 3.7 Ninatons, I'm not talking about the clones.

Shallot > Vegeta > King Vegeta = 13 ninatons with the wave of his hand.

 

[Dragomer]

Them being strong matter a lot, what someone can do at 400x FTL is very different from what they can do at 4x for exemple.

And using 'g-g-g-guys, the attack can't ever ever touch anyone because it was dodged while Buu was litteraly as slow as Videl' is supposed to be a good idea ? Fact is, when Shallot use it, it lands even if you try to downplay Buu's version.

It is an NFL and still end up with them all being overwhelmed and one shotted by billions of ki blast and that's assuming Shallot is nice enough to let Infinite both summon them and his clones before starting to fight.

And Shallot copied abilities he didn't have either so i guesse we're going full NFL, say hello to thousands of Shallot spamming billion of ki blast and chaos control and teleport while bringing copies of Zeno, you turned a fight where Infinite had a chance into a stomp, GG.

ESP has the exact same source as every other power Metal Sonic copied so he still isn't copying anything and get one shotted either way.

It litteraly is and you lack understanding on how not to wank power mimicry just because you really want to a side to win.

No, Shallot litteraly has feats of copying everything short of the Genkidama, Metal Sonic has a few feats of copying a few ability through differents incarnation and not really retain them for long, if anything Shallot is easier to justify your NFL for.

 

[Theuser789]

They aren't, literaly one cutscene versus several other, boss fights and statments
Sonic one shot all of Infinite's clones.

Shadow one shot his clone.

Several Clones got one shot during the final battle/war.

Chaos got one shot.

Zavok got stomped.

Metal Sonic got stomped.

ƒÿÉ

No

Yes but outlier

Big outlier because earlier in the game they were having problems with one Shadow clone

Chaos fought Silver and Knuckles and even modern Sonic in the game, Classic is literaly a outlier magnet (Beats the Egg Dragoon, Chaos, and fights the Mega Death Egg Robot)

Not really, he got beat just as easily as Sonic beat him in Lost World

No, he took both Sonic and the Avatar and made the latter lose his breath