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Ikki's senses can deal with trackless step just fine doe.GLHF22 said:
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Seven Stars Sword King VS Sword Saint
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But this is better than Tracklesss Step.
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Yes, but its just different. Ikki still has great senses (although not as good as in his 2nd key but eh).
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Ikki doesn't resist space hax either.
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I mean Stella did passively warp space against him and he was still able to one shot with Oikage.
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He can just dodge.
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Not if he used Blink Step.
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Which gets negged by awareness and 6th sense.Milly Rocking Bandit said:
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Ikki has no answer to mind accelerate x1000000 combine with his abilities
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Blink Step is quite literally moving instantaneously through space. 6th Sense won't mean much.
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In 5 meters? PffMilly Rocking Bandit said:
Also Perfect Vision says hi.
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I mean, you do know he can combine this with Dim Stream Slash, the thing Ikki can't counter?
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Awareness and 6th sense neg that hard. Besides once Perfect Vision kicks in, it's game over.Milly Rocking Bandit said:
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Any proof?GLHF22 said:
Ikki's sense is literally anything that enters his range will be caught by his 6th sense. Which later grows to beyond 100meters of full awareness.
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I vote Hakurou due to Thought Acceleration which even Ittou ratetsu can't blitz him and Hakurou has layers of illusion + perception and an attack that negs magic perception (360 degree vision with more than a kilometer range) and magic sense (can perceive sneak attacks even if youre dead and blind).
There's no way ikki l's reacting to that speed
There's no way ikki l's reacting to that speed
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That's not better.
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You quite literally said it was the counter to Trackless Step.
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Yes, it counters trackless step.
Ikki's senses also counter trackless step. Your point?
Ikki's senses also counter trackless step. Your point?
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Okay, explain how Ikki's is better.
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The quality of the sense is far better with Magic Sense. Magic Sense is like basically like touching everything within range simultanously on an atomic level - and that range is greater than Ikki's sixth sense.
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@Neo
That's similar to what Stella does. But Ikki's senses still far outdo that.
Also Ikki's 6th sense doesn't work by "touching", it just feels when something is within his range. Later on this sense literally gives him visions of futures where he dies.
That's similar to what Stella does. But Ikki's senses still far outdo that.
Also Ikki's 6th sense doesn't work by "touching", it just feels when something is within his range. Later on this sense literally gives him visions of futures where he dies.
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Okay scan?
his 6th sense is nothing but a normal thing in Slimeverse, the reason why is Magic sense is better is a far better brain proccessing than human, if ikki trying to use magic sense he would be dead due to the information overload his brain, his perception manip literaly block your brain processing for a moment, so you couldnt see him coming, and No ikki self mind control cannot counter this as his brain is just a normal human brain
his 6th sense is nothing but a normal thing in Slimeverse, the reason why is Magic sense is better is a far better brain proccessing than human, if ikki trying to use magic sense he would be dead due to the information overload his brain, his perception manip literaly block your brain processing for a moment, so you couldnt see him coming, and No ikki self mind control cannot counter this as his brain is just a normal human brain
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Scan for what?
6th sense differs from verse to verse. Ikki also has that. The reason he can counter Trackless Step, is because he can perceive both his consciousness and unconsciousness. For some reason his brain doesn't overload idk why. Ikki's brain not processing is not exactly a factor he can fight while unconscious and he can tap into his unconsciousness. So it's not gonna work.
6th sense differs from verse to verse. Ikki also has that. The reason he can counter Trackless Step, is because he can perceive both his consciousness and unconsciousness. For some reason his brain doesn't overload idk why. Ikki's brain not processing is not exactly a factor he can fight while unconscious and he can tap into his unconsciousness. So it's not gonna work.
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iam just saying 6th sense in rakudai is like nothing in slimeverse or its common thing a fodder have
again he is not make you unsconscious he just make your perception cannot see him, it really just perception manip which ikki doenst resist and people with better sense than ikki cant handle that
again he is not make you unsconscious he just make your perception cannot see him, it really just perception manip which ikki doenst resist and people with better sense than ikki cant handle that
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I you said the whole "it gathers all of the data" and stuff, i just explained why ikki can do that normally.
Ok alters your senses. What stops Ikki's awareness from picking it up the moment he comes in range?
Ok alters your senses. What stops Ikki's awareness from picking it up the moment he comes in range?
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Because it negs Magic Sense.
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Different mechanics doe. Magic Sense just touches everything, like an extention of your body (Stella can do that). 6th sense is almost precog.
It's not nearly the same thing, so negging one, doesn't neg the other.
It's not nearly the same thing, so negging one, doesn't neg the other.
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It isn't touch. It was just an analogy for how its perception is simultanous and not focused, all on an atomic level. But it's not as simple as "touch". Any sort of "waves" get transmitted as well, information about movement as well. It even goes as far as to transmit "intent". To put it into perspective, it enables, for example, to filter the intent out of a spoken language making the user able to understand the words even if they user himself doesn't understand the language itself. It goes the other way as well. The Magic Sense user's spoken words can be projected with intent in such a way that even someone without that ability can understand the words.
And then you can obviously apply that to combat as well. Yet Hakurou was able to even "fool" something like that.
And then you can obviously apply that to combat as well. Yet Hakurou was able to even "fool" something like that.
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Ok, but it's not the same as a trait that literally knows anything that comes in close range even if it's literally unable to be perceived.
For someone of Ikki's level of skill, it was already a close ranged barrier of sword strikes. If there was something close by, a samurai's sharpened sixth sense will definitely react to it, no matter if it is visible or invisible, fast or slow. Failing to read that was the reason why Tomaru lost.
This gets enhanced to a point later on where it can literally see visions of his death and sense things that Ikki was completely unable to tell but strongly believed he could tell.
For someone of Ikki's level of skill, it was already a close ranged barrier of sword strikes. If there was something close by, a samurai's sharpened sixth sense will definitely react to it, no matter if it is visible or invisible, fast or slow. Failing to read that was the reason why Tomaru lost.
This gets enhanced to a point later on where it can literally see visions of his death and sense things that Ikki was completely unable to tell but strongly believed he could tell.
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That just means Ikki might at best discern something that does not seem to be there, to actually be there, however it doesn't show the opposite, i.e. Ikki able to discern that something that seems to be there to not be there.
And that assumes that it actually works on Hakurou's real strike to begin with. After all, "something close by" and "something invisible" is only up to presented feats, as otherwise its NLF.
And that assumes that it actually works on Hakurou's real strike to begin with. After all, "something close by" and "something invisible" is only up to presented feats, as otherwise its NLF.
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Depends, when it's on stuff like senses it's hard to call "NLF" anything, unless it's going way beyond it's mechanics. And as i said this later on allows ikki to sense freaking trigger mechanics for transformations in a sense (sensed danger from the fact that stella could transform even though he strongly belive she couldn't).
But the point is, there is no "NLF" to push when it comes to "senses anything that enters his range", unless it brings up non corporeality, or something like Culexus' invisiblity to where he completely disconnects from reality. Other than extreme cases like those it's gonna be hard to call NLF on small stuff like this.
But the point is, there is no "NLF" to push when it comes to "senses anything that enters his range", unless it brings up non corporeality, or something like Culexus' invisiblity to where he completely disconnects from reality. Other than extreme cases like those it's gonna be hard to call NLF on small stuff like this.
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Sensing a girl that was so fast he couldn't sense her by other means. But not long from the fights with Edel happens and he showcases sensing attacks that he doesn't know will happen, can happen, and can't perceive happening.
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Non of that is more impressive than Magic Sense. Magic sense allows characters to sense things that can move up to the speed of light, gives a 360 view with no blind spots, allows one to see the changes in the surroundsings through wave-based information and at an atomic level. All of this can be sensed at once in a large area. Non of the feats for Ikki's sensing you've mentioned are more impressive.
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That's not even similar to magic sense doe.
By that logic it's like saying. A car that moves at mach 5 and an aircraft that flies at the same speed are the same.
One is supernatural senses almost bordering on precog. The other is just sensing things by "grasping" thing, again i get a pretty good idea cus Stella does the same on volume 11. She extends her magic and uses it to find out some people that couldn't be found out otherwise.
By that logic it's like saying. A car that moves at mach 5 and an aircraft that flies at the same speed are the same.
One is supernatural senses almost bordering on precog. The other is just sensing things by "grasping" thing, again i get a pretty good idea cus Stella does the same on volume 11. She extends her magic and uses it to find out some people that couldn't be found out otherwise.
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You brought up Ikki being able to sense a girl that was so fast he couldn't perceive her otherwise, so I gave a similar example of Magic sense users being able to sense thigns far faster than them.
Define "couldn't be found out otherwise" because that's very vague. Also what are you trying to say with your car and aircraft analogy?
That doesn't take away that Magic Sense has more impressive feats and as such Hakuro should eb able to bypass Ikki's senses.
Define "couldn't be found out otherwise" because that's very vague. Also what are you trying to say with your car and aircraft analogy?
That doesn't take away that Magic Sense has more impressive feats and as such Hakuro should eb able to bypass Ikki's senses.
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"better feats", "different power" doesn't mean much. A dude who resists 1-A conceptual manip, won't resist 3D Casuality manip just cus, "better feats". When the power is different things change. As i said, one is feeling, the other is knowing through unknown means.
"better feats", "different power" doesn't mean much. A dude who resists 1-A conceptual manip, won't resist 3D Casuality manip just cus, "better feats". When the power is different things change. As i said, one is feeling, the other is knowing through unknown means.
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