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Seven Great Demon Lords: Revisions, additions and upgrades
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I did those. All that's left is the rest of the Demon Lords and Royal Knights.
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Valdurmon needs to be opened since he is also material for Chaosmon...
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Okay then. Royal Knights can wait.
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Again I'm sorry If I'm bugging you guys about this, but should larva form be considered a weakness for other versions of Lucemon SM despite It only ever appearing In frontier? In all the other appearences (Savers another mission, Re digitze decode and next order) show Satan mode without any mention of larva at all.
While all other appearences shows It can speak and It appears to be refered to actually be lucemon itself (Which was basically what larva was), while the one In frontier mainly acted animal like growling and roaring seemingly incapable of speech and mainly acted as a puppet for larva
While all other appearences shows It can speak and It appears to be refered to actually be lucemon itself (Which was basically what larva was), while the one In frontier mainly acted animal like growling and roaring seemingly incapable of speech and mainly acted as a puppet for larva
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@Mugen
I'm going to leave this up to Dark and the others due to them actually playing those games.
In addition, The Everlasting brought up an extremely valid point about this scaling. Megidramon fought Beelzemon to a standstill. As one of the Four Great Dragons, wouldn't Magnadramo, Goddramo, and Azulongmo scale to him? By extension, wouldn't the Sovereigns also scale to Azulongmo? Then there's the fact that Millenniummo and Moon=Millenniummo was able to stomp the Sovereigns and well... Needless to say a lot of extra scaling.
I'm going to leave this up to Dark and the others due to them actually playing those games.
In addition, The Everlasting brought up an extremely valid point about this scaling. Megidramon fought Beelzemon to a standstill. As one of the Four Great Dragons, wouldn't Magnadramo, Goddramo, and Azulongmo scale to him? By extension, wouldn't the Sovereigns also scale to Azulongmo? Then there's the fact that Millenniummo and Moon=Millenniummo was able to stomp the Sovereigns and well... Needless to say a lot of extra scaling.
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Yeah. Beelzemon was weaker than Megidramon, but strong enough to hold his own so he scales. I guess the Holy Beast and Great Dragons scale.
Bagramon should be Low 2-C from what little of XROS Wars I know. I don't know enough to vouch for Tactimon. Does this scale to any of the protags like Shoutmo or Gumdramo?
I'm sorry, but as someone who grew up on the dub, Omegamo is just cooler sounding. I prefer most dub changes though (Beelzebumon sounds silly and Demon is generic for example).
Bagramon should be Low 2-C from what little of XROS Wars I know. I don't know enough to vouch for Tactimon. Does this scale to any of the protags like Shoutmo or Gumdramo?
I'm sorry, but as someone who grew up on the dub, Omegamo is just cooler sounding. I prefer most dub changes though (Beelzebumon sounds silly and Demon is generic for example).
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Sorry for double posting, but theirs one aspect I'm confused on. Do we scale the Royal Knights to Infinite speed? Or keep them at FTL?
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Well, considering that the Chronicles / Decode / CS characters are the same, then the RK's of that chronology can be scaled to infinite / immeasurable I believe. (Chronicles for transcending space-time, Decode for fighting Taiga who fought the SGDL, and CS for fighting Mother Eater).
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@Dark
I suppose I can start changing the profiles then. Sorry for making another sudden observation but UlforceVeedramon stated that Tactimon's sword is powerful enough to overwhelm three members of the Royal Knights and it was a made from a fragment of Susanoomon's Orochi-ARMs.
As for speed, I'm not sure if we should upgrade anything other than databook stats, since the RKs are not generally depicted with infinite speed.
I suppose I can start changing the profiles then. Sorry for making another sudden observation but UlforceVeedramon stated that Tactimon's sword is powerful enough to overwhelm three members of the Royal Knights and it was a made from a fragment of Susanoomon's Orochi-ARMs.
As for speed, I'm not sure if we should upgrade anything other than databook stats, since the RKs are not generally depicted with infinite speed.
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@Reppuzan. Yeah, I was referring to databook. Anime Royal Knights are typically around Planet level/FTL anyways.
@Excecutor. Interesting. Is their a scan that proves that? Because Immeasurable CS cast seems very plausible.
@Excecutor. Interesting. Is their a scan that proves that? Because Immeasurable CS cast seems very plausible.
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Yes, I already put this in another post, I'll put it here as well.
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Sorry for making you do extra work. I must've missed it.
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The Royal Knights of Pendulum-X are the same as D-Cyber (Omegamon X mentioned past events including even things like the battle of Alphamon against Death-X-Mo or his own Battle against Death-X-DORUgoramo).
They are also the same as Re
igitize Decode.
DORUmon after the events was sealed again.
The events occurred because of the reactivatio of the X-Program, the same of Pendulum X.
Characters like Seadramon make direct reference to the old activation program-X.
And that also makes it the same as Cyber Sleuth since Alphamon knows Mirei. And Alphamon met her in Decode (In fact, Mirei was essentially born in Re: Digitize).
In addition, Gankoomon, in Cyber Sleuth, made reference to the rest of Yggdrasil in times of peace in the Digital World. This was what happened in Re: Digitize, Yggdrasil was resting on the Infinite Mountain until, due to the Vitium attack, she awakened and reactivated the X-Program to fix the distortions caused by Vitium.
So yes, Pendulum X / X-Evolution, D-Cyber, Decode and CS RKs can be the same.
They are also the same as Re
igitize Decode.DORUmon after the events was sealed again.
The events occurred because of the reactivatio of the X-Program, the same of Pendulum X.
Characters like Seadramon make direct reference to the old activation program-X.
And that also makes it the same as Cyber Sleuth since Alphamon knows Mirei. And Alphamon met her in Decode (In fact, Mirei was essentially born in Re: Digitize).
In addition, Gankoomon, in Cyber Sleuth, made reference to the rest of Yggdrasil in times of peace in the Digital World. This was what happened in Re: Digitize, Yggdrasil was resting on the Infinite Mountain until, due to the Vitium attack, she awakened and reactivated the X-Program to fix the distortions caused by Vitium.
So yes, Pendulum X / X-Evolution, D-Cyber, Decode and CS RKs can be the same.
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Speaking of Dexmon...He and Death-XDorugoramon need the the update as well due to simple scaling to Alphamon and Omegamon X. Plus if we don't my edit to Dorugoramon will look pretty suspect....
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I believe so. I already put Lucemon at that level since he's the strongest, but I think it would scale to the others, or at least Beelzemon and Belphemon. Beelzemon for being the second strongest, Belphemon because his power was compared to Leviamon's.
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...Yep. It probably be a safe bet to scale to all Demon Lords and Olympos XII too, then.
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I love how when Digimon top-tiers get any sort of stat revision, we have to go through 70+ pages to adjust stuff.
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Maybe now Masuru Daimo can finally get his Tier 2 upgrade that's been on the shelf for months.
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So, Ryu suggested that Lucemon's true form to be "At least 2-A, possibly High 2-A" for being compared to God. Originally, that as considered an inconsistency as the Demon Lords were described as being defeated with no effort by God. However, considering that Lucemon is so vastly superior to them, I think Lucemon can now be scaled to God.
Considering that the Demon Lords are primal aspects of the Multiverse and that Lucemon is superior Seraphimon, who is the executor of God's law, I'm personally okay with the scaling.
Considering that the Demon Lords are primal aspects of the Multiverse and that Lucemon is superior Seraphimon, who is the executor of God's law, I'm personally okay with the scaling.
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Seems legit to me.
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I got no objections scaling him to God.
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Reasoning?
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I miss spelled it the first time.Dragonmasterxyz said:
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Since everyone agrees, I'll perform the change.
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@Rad Still Reasoning to why you agree? ƒÿø
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Lucemon scaling to God looks fine to me. Otherwise if it was not gonna be accepted at all, i would have questioned why the mentioning of him being equal to God is even there in the first place
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So outlier or not.
Kid Lucemon is fought in Cyber Sleuth right before Falldown Mode. Or is this already part of the Cyber Sleuth stat?
Kid Lucemon is fought in Cyber Sleuth right before Falldown Mode. Or is this already part of the Cyber Sleuth stat?
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So another thing for Lucemon.
Would his Rookie form theoretically be 3-A by scaling from the Three Great Angels? Since Cherubimon can cause the Digital World to descend into chaos and all.
Would his Rookie form theoretically be 3-A by scaling from the Three Great Angels? Since Cherubimon can cause the Digital World to descend into chaos and all.
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Lucemon's power being comparable to "God" is most likely limited to his True/Complete form and not one of the standard forms across the multiverse. It also makes the most sense.
Lucemon's power being comparable to "God" is most likely limited to his True/Complete form and not one of the standard forms across the multiverse. It also makes the most sense.
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Question. Should the Demon Lords have Acausality? I mean Alphamon hasn't even killed them yet meaning that his Alpha Inforce likely has no effect.
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Eh... I don't know. That might be pushing speculation a bit too far. While we know the Royal Knights are prepared to clash with the Demon Lords on a regular basis, we have yet to see how a Demon Lord would react to an onscreen use of the Alpha InForce (or anyone, really).
Eh... I don't know. That might be pushing speculation a bit too far. While we know the Royal Knights are prepared to clash with the Demon Lords on a regular basis, we have yet to see how a Demon Lord would react to an onscreen use of the Alpha InForce (or anyone, really).
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However, wouldn't they be resistant to Causality Manipulation or something like that?
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