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Seriously questioning the writer tier
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This discussion should not be occurring when the tier 0 revision is. At best it should be closed now to be opened later as the OAA one was.Magi Hussie said:
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Your Also missing a important point of the page. Grant Morrison is not who the page is for the page is for the entity above the overmonitor which is only ever given an idea of a name in that grant Morrison comic.
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However, he himself has called himself Non-Omnipotent.Udlmaster said:
Then, also, if there's an infinite Number of Writers above another, then would that still not be High 1-A in itself? As there will always another Higher Writer?
And if it were to have drawn on the Blank Paper, then that would mean that something existed either at the same time as it, or before it, which would then be a contradiction of Omnipotent.
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Tier 0 is not omnipotent that's what your missing You don't need to have created everything to be tier 0 it's just a common thing that gose with it
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No it's notUdlmaster said:
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Wot, Tier 0 is at the moment Omnipotent.
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That is a misconception and is part of the reason for the current revision.
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Darkmon is right, it isn't
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@Darkmon You need to elaborate a bit more for that last reply.
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Eh, I guess its Questionable Omnipotence.
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Tier 0 has never been omnipotent. Part of the reason for the current revision is that mat was sick of people messing that fact up.Magi Hussie said:
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Tfw ignored but it's fine because you're gonna sleep
Tier 0 wasn't ever supposed to be unquestionably omnipotent, since it's a concept that just doesn't mesh well with how humans concieve things and isn't really probable. Matt's revision emphasizes this even moreso, with the new highest tier, whichever one was decided, noting that you don't have to be omniscent or can have minor limitations or other things. People just treated tier 0s as omnipotent because the difference usually wasn't relevant.
Tier 0 wasn't ever supposed to be unquestionably omnipotent, since it's a concept that just doesn't mesh well with how humans concieve things and isn't really probable. Matt's revision emphasizes this even moreso, with the new highest tier, whichever one was decided, noting that you don't have to be omniscent or can have minor limitations or other things. People just treated tier 0s as omnipotent because the difference usually wasn't relevant.
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It's not..... it's not... your wrong... that's a misconception.....Udlmaster said:
There called questionablely omnipotent because you gused it there not omnipotent. It means nothing
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@Darkmon Its more of a yes and no situation for this case,
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It means nothing of you actually ask people. It's put there because you can't prove there not.Udlmaster said:
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It doesn't matter. The writer's tier isn't changing because of this thread.Magi Hussie said:
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Did you read even the first paragraph of Matt's post?
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For the longest time I've had numerous issues with how this wiki handles the concept of Omnipotence and how it applies to fictional characters through Tier 0, or "Questionably Omnipotent".
I have come to observe that the wiki suffers from several instances of double standards when it comes to the Tier, and how superflous it really is in relation to the tiering system. And as such I believe it should be removed.
But let's go one step at a time, and explain each individual problem I have with the Tier and how it's handled, shall we?"
It's talking about how it's handled, not that it's a misconception.
To go further:
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First, let's define Tier 0. To quote the Tiering System page...
Sounds simple enough, right? Tier 0 is for beings which are supreme and boundless and transcendental in their verses.
However, Tier 0's are not omnipotent, which is already expressed by how we classify such characters and the Omnipotence page itself. This means we understand how Omnipotence can't exist in fiction and how these characters shouldn't be held to Omnipotent status.
Right?
Well, no. This notion is entirely contradicted by the High 1-A Tier, which is for characters who are so above the regular parameters for 1-A that they are essentially supreme and transcendent themselves, and would easily qualify for Tier 0 if not for this or that limitation, or a higher being yet in the verse.
At a first glance this seems okay, but quick observations reveal a severe crack in the system. Namely, that there is no real qualitative difference between High 1-A and 0."
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For the longest time I've had numerous issues with how this wiki handles the concept of Omnipotence and how it applies to fictional characters through Tier 0, or "Questionably Omnipotent".
I have come to observe that the wiki suffers from several instances of double standards when it comes to the Tier, and how superflous it really is in relation to the tiering system. And as such I believe it should be removed.
But let's go one step at a time, and explain each individual problem I have with the Tier and how it's handled, shall we?"
It's talking about how it's handled, not that it's a misconception.
To go further:
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First, let's define Tier 0. To quote the Tiering System page...
| " | Beings that are boundlessly above absolutely everything, including existence and nonexistence, possibility, causality, dualism and transdualism, the concepts of life and death, and their analogues at any level. | " |
However, Tier 0's are not omnipotent, which is already expressed by how we classify such characters and the Omnipotence page itself. This means we understand how Omnipotence can't exist in fiction and how these characters shouldn't be held to Omnipotent status.
Right?
Well, no. This notion is entirely contradicted by the High 1-A Tier, which is for characters who are so above the regular parameters for 1-A that they are essentially supreme and transcendent themselves, and would easily qualify for Tier 0 if not for this or that limitation, or a higher being yet in the verse.
At a first glance this seems okay, but quick observations reveal a severe crack in the system. Namely, that there is no real qualitative difference between High 1-A and 0."
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my statement didn't come from her post it came from a thread on a wall that this discussion started on ages ago that mat mentioned that. Either way it doesn't matter arge qll you want the writer's tier isn't change because "he isn't omnipotent"
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