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[AKM sama]

Wasn't Broly only shown to destroy one galaxy over time on screen?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Wasn't Broly only shown to destroy one galaxy over time on screen?

That contradicts 4-A and the plot of the movie.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Wasn't Broly only shown to destroy one galaxy over time on screen?

Well we know he did destroy the Southern Galaxies, and it would take him hundreds of years if he destroyed only one in some seconds, so That could be Cinematic timing.

 

[AKM sama]

The statement seems to be in contradiction to the feat. The galaxy was shown to be destroyed without any blast shockwave or flash that would indicate the stars disappearing gradually only as destroying it over time, hence 4-A.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

But the entire galaxy was shown to be destroyed. It's really large portions that were destroyed because the characters were still in the south area. So because the entire galaxy was destroyed then that's possibly one of the galaxies in the quadrant that was destroyed.

 

[AwkguyDB]

The statement seems to be in contradiction to the feat. The galaxy was shown to be destroyed without any blast shockwave or flash that would indicate the stars disappearing gradually only as destroying it over time, hence 4-A.

Exactly as Zamasu said

It doesn't contradict at all if

1. That's one of the galaxies in the South being destroyed

2. That's literally the south quadrant and the "stars" that we see are numerous galaxies like the Living Realm in DBS

 

[AKM sama]

I highly doubt the galaxy shaped structure is actually a quadrant, and we don't know what a quadrant even looks like. We don't have enough evidence to call it a quadrant.

And if it's only one galaxy, then the statement contradicts the on-screen feat like I said. Because the statement suggests 3-B, while the feat shows 4-A.

 

[Sera_EX]

Why must the exact same thread be made over and over when it's been thoroughly debunked? The original line of dialogue and its translation (both sub and dub) were already used in the last 3-C Broly thread to debunk 3-C and 3-B.

 

[AKM sama]

You can just put a link to that thread (if you can find it) and close this in that case.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Why must the exact same thread be made over and over when it's been thoroughly debunked? The original line of dialogue and its translation (both sub and dub) were already used in the last 3-C Broly thread to debunk 3-C and 3-B.

How did it debunk it?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I highly doubt the galaxy shaped structure is actually a quadrant, and we don't know what a quadrant even looks like. We don't have enough evidence to call it a quadrant.
And if it's only one galaxy, then the statement contradicts the on-screen feat like I said. Because the statement suggests 3-B, while the feat shows 4-A.

The Southern Galaxy is a quadrant as it is 1/4th the universe in every other media and we know it is a quadrant as Goku was able to go to it even tho we have seen "the Southern Galaxy" getting completely eradicated, this proves the Southern Galaxy isn't a single Galaxy.

And him almost destroying the Southern Galaxies is stated several times in the movie and it is the main reason Goku went to stop Broly, and we also have the Yamauchi and 3 universal statements which add to it, so we can't dismiss it.

 

[Sera_EX]

This is what she said:

The entire movie was to stop Broly from destroying the South Galaxy. In the film going by the original Japanese version without subs (the only version I've seen), they never said Broly destroyed the galaxy. They said he was rampaging throughout the galaxy and Kaiosama was worried that his galaxy was next. The narration clearly stated The South Galaxy is under Super Saiyan attack. It did not say destroyed. It never said destroyed. Broly did not gradually destroy the galaxy either, the South Galaxy was still there, or at least parts of it. The entire goal of the film was preventing the total destruction of the South Galaxy.
	~ Pritti​

You can read the entire thread here

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

First of all, Broly never actually destroyed "The South Galaxy"; putting it in quotes because I'm referring to the south quadrant that he wasn't even close to busting. On screen, you simply see him destroy one galaxy over time. So he destroyed a South Galaxy, meaning one of the hundreds of billions of galaxies within the South Quadrant, but he never actually even came close to destroying the South Quadrant. The feat is still simply 4-A.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

The Thing is, no one said he completely destroyed it,he almost destroyed it and he was destroying it at such a fast rate that King Kai was sure he was going to destroy his Northern Galaxies, and he destroyed those Galaxies, he didn't just destroy the lifes there, That Galaxy getting completely eradicated contradicts that, and the only reason the area was still there, was because New planet Vegeta was there, and Paragus wouldn't want that to happen.

 

[Sera_EX]

He didn't. The original lines of the movie state Broly was rampaging throughout the galaxy. Given the feats of Dragon Ball thus far, he was most likely destroying planets and stars across the South Galaxy. That's no different than Kid Buu doing the same across the universe. That doesn't exactly make Kid Buu 3-A or 3-B either. They never said Broly destroyed any galaxies in the movie.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

So they never say south galaxy in the movie?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Well we see him busting that one Galaxy so he was going to destroy all of the galaxies inside the Area and the only reason why Kid Buu's statements are dismissed as the're unquantifiable as Kid Buu is Immortal and in Broly's statements they state "whole universe" in 2/3 the statements.

 

[Sera_EX]

That was likely a premonition or time lapse of Broly's destruction. The South Galaxy was still in tact when Goku arrives. The purpose of the Z fighters in the movie was to prevent that premonition from happening.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

That was likely a premonition or time lapse of Broly's destruction. The South Galaxy was still in tact when Goku arrives. The purpose of the Z fighters in the movie was to prevent that premonition from happening.

Or that was just one of the Southern Galaxies and not the entire quadrant, which I think is more likely?

 

[Sera_EX]

But we cannot assume non-canonical films to have fully interpreted contextual information from a secondary-canon source (the Daizenshuu). As far as we're concerned, the writers for that film meant South Galaxy as literally a galaxy.

And again, they never said he destroyed a single galaxy throughout the entirety of the film.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Why? That's like saying we can't use The size of planet Vegeta in GT to calc the Toei planet Vegeta destruction, as well as Him being able to go to this Galaxy even tho it was completely eradicated, which proves that it has more than one Gakaxy,and no Broly destroyed that one Galaxy in the beginning.

 

[AwkguyDB]

What we are given in the movie are very direct statements. On top of which we are given a clear understanding of what Galaxy means in Dragon Ball.
"Úèǵ▓│ Galaxy

A gathering of local planets in the universe. Planets gather and form a nebula, and beyond that, a collection of gathered nebulae is called a galaxy. The four Kaiou who rule over the east, west, south, and north [sections] of the universe actually govern these galaxies. Because the Kami in the Heavenly Realm and the Kaiou supervise the galaxies that exist infinitely (obviously not actually infinite) in all the universe, the sections known as the East, West, South, and North Galaxies are denominations that came into use through their duty."

On top of Paragus' statement, we don't need the 3 "threat to the Universe" statements within this movie to justify a 3-B rating with the simple fact that Broly was destroying most of the Southern Galaxy. After Broly completely destroyed the South in it's entirety the North, East and Western Quadrants were next and this was all gonna happen in Broly's life time if left unchecked. Even if we just seen him destroying one Galaxy it is already implied that many other Galaxies within that Quadrant were already wiped out.

literally the original sub

 

[AwkguyDB]

When he's as fast as he is scaling from, it is actually far from unbelievable.
But yes, as Kep said, whatever the actual translation what is shown in the movie is clear - a galaxy. Nothing more. Retroactively applying information that is incongruent with the movie itself is just cherry picking if we use the multiple galaxies of GT.

Paragus: "we would no longer have a single foe left. The Northern Galaxy, and of course the Eastern and Western Galaxies,would be undivided under our rule."

Pretty sure they are talking about the Quadrants.

OG sub Paragus

 

[AwkguyDB]

And as I said above EVEN IF 1/4 of the South Galaxy was destroyed it would be a 3-B feat since each quadrant are an area of space that contains an uncountable number of galaxies in each.

 

[Sera_EX]

You're using the original sub whereas I'm going by the literal words being said. Subs aren't 100% correct.

Anyway, I'm done arguing this as it's been debunked already and the exact same arguments are being used. If anyone else still wants to believe this go right ahead.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Sorry, but I still don't get why it's wrong.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

You're using the original sub whereas I'm going by the literal words being said. Subs aren't 100% correct.

Anyway, I'm done arguing this as it's been debunked already and the exact same arguments are being used. If anyone else still wants to believe this go right ahead.

If that's the case there should be a note on Broly's profile. This can be closed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will close this then.

Feel free to add a note to the page if you wish Sera.