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Serge (Chrono Cross) vs Undertaleverse

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I'm guessing y'all are joking on Annoying Dog winning lol

Should I make a poll to keep track of the votes?
 
His AP is possibly High 2-A, not his Dura.

He loses to Angel of Death, and to the fact he has no soul manipulation resistance.
 
Well if he beats Asriel shouldnt he just beat Dog via him just being stronger than him? It's not like Annoying Dog is a tier leap above him
 
@Ever

Nah, we do. We just account for the absolute least he can be, which is infinitely above Asriel.

@HousedInEngi

Asriel is literally fictional to him, as is the rest of the world. He's the only thing which is 100% guaranteed to survive it and every aspect of it completely no longer existing, which is a tier jump (sort of. it's from 2-A to High 2-A).
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Considering he's literally infinitely stronger than someone who can destroy multiple universes, presumably infinite if he wanted to.
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I don't really think the world "infinity" in a mere stat can be trusted tbh
 
HousedInEngi said:
I don't really think the world "infinity" in a mere stat can be trusted tbh
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Stats that only exist to tell you how strong someone is. When characters with stats measured in actual numbers are already destroying mutliple universes and a much more determined Frisk than the one who could hurt Omega Flowey literally can't even touch Asriel, it's fine.
 
That could also mean Asriel is just so far above Frisk that he cannot even grasp his true power


And like I said, it's just a random stat in game
 
Being so far above a multiversal character that they cannot even grasp your power is in the Multiversal+ range, yo.

I also literally just explained why it's not random. There was actually an entire update where 95% of the content added was changing CHECK stats to make them make more sense in comparison to each other.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Asriel is literally fictional to him, as is the rest of the world. He's the only thing which is 100% guaranteed to survive it and every aspect of it completely no longer existing, which is a tier jump (sort of. it's from 2-A to High 2-A).
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And he doesn't have an actual tier because...?
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
HousedInEngi said:
Well no, not really

I could be far above a planet level guy and only be planet+
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That's not even close to being so far above a planet level guy that they view your power as infinite.
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Using it as a comparison but I just don't see how a random in-game stat justifies this immense buff
 
HousedInEngi said:
Using it as a comparison but I just don't see how a random in-game stat justifies this immense buff
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It's not a valid comparison, though. A planet level+ character will be an absolute maximum of 47x stronger than a planet level character.

Did you read the entire explanation above?
 
Because at the end of the day, it's just a stat

I know Asriel is supposed to be uber powerful and what not but it's like me saying Hulk is multiversal+ since hes constantly listed as infinite in power
 
Off topic, I wonder how Mxy would do here.

Anyway, he clears up to AD, who he'd stalemate at best. At worst, he'd lose to Serial Murderer with the letters scrambled at full power.
 
HousedInEngi said:
Because at the end of the day, it's just a stat
I know Asriel is supposed to be uber powerful and what not but it's like me saying Hulk is multiversal+ since hes constantly listed as infinite in power
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I literally just explained why it's not just a stat.

Except Hulk isn't portrayed as infinite compared to characters who can already bust multiple universes.
 
So a planet level+ character could be taken down by 50 planet level characters working together.

But at some higher level of power, planet level characters would be 100% useless. An infinite amount of planet level characters could not defeat someone at this higher level (not sure where the line is in this example but lets say a universal character).

That is the kind if tier jump we are talking about.
 
I read the explanation and it still makes no sense


Also, when did they bust multiple universes? I only recall single universe busts
 
HousedInEngi said:
I read the explanation and it still makes no sense

Also, when did they bust multiple universes? I only recall single universe busts
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Then you are clearly not reading it properly, or ignoring that the creator of the game specifically made changes to these "random" stats to make them more logical in-universe.

Chara destroys the entire reality of the game, which consists of multiple timelines according to Sans.

Flowey maintains and alters half a dozen timelines during your fight with him.
 
The real cal howard said:
Off topic, I wonder how Mxy would do here.

Anyway, he clears up to AD, who he'd stalemate at best. At worst, he'd lose to Serial Murderer with the letters scrambled at full power.
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I don't see how he gets past Asriel with only 2-A dura, he has no resistance to soul hax and would be subjected to Angel of Death.
 
But if he hasn't shown resistance, he won't be able to do anything but struggle during Angel of Death, so Asriel could just do whatever he sees fit to Serge.
 
HousedInEngi said:
Wait, what's to say Serge couldn't soul screw him back?


I dont recall soul manip resistance from Asriel
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Because Angel of Death is activated upon going full power, and it doesn't allow the opponent to do anything but struggle, meaning Serge won't be able to use his abilities, items, etc.
 
Talonmask said:
HousedInEngi said:
Wait, what's to say Serge couldn't soul screw him back?


I dont recall soul manip resistance from Asriel
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Because Angel of Death is activated upon going full power, and it doesn't allow the opponent to do anything but struggle, meaning Serge won't be able to use his abilities, items, etc.
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...what?
 
Talonmask said:
But if he hasn't shown resistance, he won't be able to do anything but struggle during Angel of Death, so Asriel could just do whatever he sees fit to Serge.
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I always thought that sounded like an NLF.
 
I'm pretty sure Higher-dimensional beings or characters completely immune to soul hax can get around it, but Serge is neither of those, as his dura is only 2-A and only has High 2-A AP via Chrono Cross, which he wouldn't be able to use if subjected to the ability.
 
So uhhh, just read up on it


I'm pretty sure he could use it just because High 2-A > 2-A thus making him get past restraint
 
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