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Homing Attacks hard counter instinctive reactions
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Selvaria Bles vs Weiss Schnee
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@Weekly and Selvaria can't just knock those shots away because????
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Ap and the fact that trying to knock them away would get her frozen as they freeze rhe target on contact
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Very positive that Selvaria wouldn't run into a bullet just for the heck of it, unless she can be sure that it's harmless.
Either way her Instinctive Reaction (if she even has them) aren't something that she uses in combat.
Also because Ice Dust is blue-ish and she hates that color because it reminds her of the time she spent in the research facility
Either way her Instinctive Reaction (if she even has them) aren't something that she uses in combat.
Also because Ice Dust is blue-ish and she hates that color because it reminds her of the time she spent in the research facility
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Is Kal changing votes or what?
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Like, Selvaria hates ragnaid, which has a blue color and goes as far as avoiding carrying medikits because they contain ragnaid. She doesn't smash blue stuff like a bull does with red things.
She wouldn't run into an attack like Weiss' Dust bullets anyway because they are obviously not normal bullets and she isn't willing to run into attacks that are potentially dangerous.
She sliced the Edelweiss' projectile because it was harmless but she wasn't toying around with Alicia
She wouldn't run into an attack like Weiss' Dust bullets anyway because they are obviously not normal bullets and she isn't willing to run into attacks that are potentially dangerous.
She sliced the Edelweiss' projectile because it was harmless but she wasn't toying around with Alicia
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Bump
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At this point probably inconclusive.
Selvaria now has Low-Mid regen which gives her quite a bit of extra survivability, is smarter, has better range, Weiss still has the speed (Well while amped. Selvaria is >>> Mach 5 and she is Mach 6) and AP advantage but neither is to a stompish degree.
Versatilty helps a lot but she needs to get in range to use Dust, which isn't easy when your opponent can keep spamming attacks from afar (Also because Selvaria's energy beams are >>>>>>>>> Selvaria herself in speed, so dodging them isn't that easy either)
Selvaria now has Low-Mid regen which gives her quite a bit of extra survivability, is smarter, has better range, Weiss still has the speed (Well while amped. Selvaria is >>> Mach 5 and she is Mach 6) and AP advantage but neither is to a stompish degree.
Versatilty helps a lot but she needs to get in range to use Dust, which isn't easy when your opponent can keep spamming attacks from afar (Also because Selvaria's energy beams are >>>>>>>>> Selvaria herself in speed, so dodging them isn't that easy either)
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I'm leaning Selvaria at the moment.
Her movement speed is higher than you think, as she was able to flash step (disappears completely from view) in her fight against Imca (VC3). This should help her control the distance that the fight happens at.
Selvaria should be able to sweep the field with a beam from her lance as both her Anime counterpart and the noticeably inferior Valkyria Riela were capable of doing that (https://youtu.be/do9wU0DW7s4?t=267).
Can Weiss easily dodge something that can wipe out tank battalions with ease?
Presumably we are using the last known version of Selvaria, namely the Imca vs Selvaria fight one. This later version of Selvaria fights way more intelligently than she did at Naggiar, avoids making major mistakes (like making full swings at an opponent who is faster than you or choosing to block Alicia's telegraphed attack instead of sidestepping out of the way), and actually uses her speed advantage to score a knockout blow.
I expect it her to be more cautious against an unknown foe like Weiss.
Weiss got KOed by a Black Fang leader wielding a Chainsaw (albeit in a train car with limited maneuvering room). Selvaria should be able to manage that kind of power with ease.
Weiss also has to manage her limited ammo as well, which Selvaria doesn't have to worry about. Selvaria has a better chance in a battle of attrition.
Her movement speed is higher than you think, as she was able to flash step (disappears completely from view) in her fight against Imca (VC3). This should help her control the distance that the fight happens at.
Selvaria should be able to sweep the field with a beam from her lance as both her Anime counterpart and the noticeably inferior Valkyria Riela were capable of doing that (https://youtu.be/do9wU0DW7s4?t=267).
Can Weiss easily dodge something that can wipe out tank battalions with ease?
Presumably we are using the last known version of Selvaria, namely the Imca vs Selvaria fight one. This later version of Selvaria fights way more intelligently than she did at Naggiar, avoids making major mistakes (like making full swings at an opponent who is faster than you or choosing to block Alicia's telegraphed attack instead of sidestepping out of the way), and actually uses her speed advantage to score a knockout blow.
I expect it her to be more cautious against an unknown foe like Weiss.
Weiss got KOed by a Black Fang leader wielding a Chainsaw (albeit in a train car with limited maneuvering room). Selvaria should be able to manage that kind of power with ease.
Weiss also has to manage her limited ammo as well, which Selvaria doesn't have to worry about. Selvaria has a better chance in a battle of attrition.
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Weiss is faster than her by a decent margin, Sel is only mach 5, weiss is mach 8 and mach 23 with dime dilation.
Yes, she can actually, she can also block it with a glyph shield, forcefield, or ice barrier. weiss also has a laser like that and it freezes things on contact.
She doesnt have a speed advantage here, weiss does, and if she tries to get close weiss has multiple close range aoe attacks that can freeze Sel solid in a block of ice, as well as a cluster of homing attacks that freeze on contact that she can use from a distance. Weiss can also resteain her with restraint glyphs or ragdoll her with gravity glyphs.
White Fang, not Black Fang. Said member is Building level+ and he didnt knock her out, she just threw her.
Weiss doesnt have limited ammo nor does she have a limited amount of glyphs.
Yes, she can actually, she can also block it with a glyph shield, forcefield, or ice barrier. weiss also has a laser like that and it freezes things on contact.
She doesnt have a speed advantage here, weiss does, and if she tries to get close weiss has multiple close range aoe attacks that can freeze Sel solid in a block of ice, as well as a cluster of homing attacks that freeze on contact that she can use from a distance. Weiss can also resteain her with restraint glyphs or ragdoll her with gravity glyphs.
White Fang, not Black Fang. Said member is Building level+ and he didnt knock her out, she just threw her.
Weiss doesnt have limited ammo nor does she have a limited amount of glyphs.
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Weiss isn't Mach 8? She is Mach 6 unless I'm missing one of my own calcs
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Can you guys just help end this?
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Oh my bad, you're right she's Mach 6, still faster than Sel and far faster with time dilation
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Pretty sure she's not faster, not even by a negligible amount.
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I agree with kalt, inconclusive
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Is she going to use that in a one on one fight though?
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Use what? Time Dilation? Yes she will and has done so before, she used it against the white fang lieutenant on the train.
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Okay.
Count me for Inconclusive for Kalt's reasons.
Count me for Inconclusive for Kalt's reasons.
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Nevermind, Weiss is indeed Mach 8 via scaling from Cardin. I forgot my own calc.
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I know your calcs better than you do 
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I know this is off-topic, but why is Cardin High 8-C?
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He...really shouldn't be
Either that or Ruby should be high 8-c pre timeskip as she stomped him in the manga
Either that or Ruby should be high 8-c pre timeskip as she stomped him in the manga
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I think it's because he bullies Velvet, but that's probably because she doesn't want to give people another reason to hate Faunus
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That and she's High 8C with her weapon
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bullying Velvet doesn't sound like a reason to bump someone to High 8-C. She might just be holding back for all we know.
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That's what I said.
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Cardin should be 8-C+
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Looks like we are getting nowhere here, so this is seems to be inconclusive. It was fun reading this discussion though.
Maybe you could pit Weiss against the new Valkyria from VC4 in the future, as they both have a winter motif going for them. At least it would make more sense thematically than pitting her against company wrecking (bare minimum) Selvaria.
Maybe you could pit Weiss against the new Valkyria from VC4 in the future, as they both have a winter motif going for them. At least it would make more sense thematically than pitting her against company wrecking (bare minimum) Selvaria.
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Bump
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Well,Inconclusive FRA then.
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(Sigh.......)
I almost want to Equalize speed as it was negligible
I almost want to Equalize speed as it was negligible
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