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SCP Discussion Thread

IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
Currently, as I've stated before, the strongest character to have shown up in an actual article is Extended Universe Swann, which is 7 inaccessible layers into Tier 0. However, stuff that has been stated to exist in interviews is a good deal stronger than even that, and accounting for everything, the cosmology is like this:
  1. Physical Reality = Varies from Low 2-C to 1-A+ (Canons without a canonical dimensionality are assumed to be a 4D spacetime, while the Kaktusverse has the highest ontology with SCP-3812's narrative stack)
  2. Noosphere = High 1-A (First inaccessible transcendence)
  3. Seminosphere = 0 (Second inaccessible transcendence)
  4. Patasphere = 0 (Third inaccessible transcendence)
  5. Infosphere = 0 (Fourth inaccessible transcendence, contains an infinity of Pataspheres, each one defining a separate canon)
  6. 2nd Narrative Layer = 0 (Fifth inaccessible transcendence)
  7. Proxyverse = 0 (Sixth inaccessible transcendence)
  8. "True Authors" Swann = 0 (Seventh inaccessible transcendence)
  9. Metafoundation Narrative Stack = 0 (Infinite inaccessible transcendences)
  10. Universe Prime = 0 (Transcends the cosmology as a whole, meaning it would be unreachably beyond inaccessible cardinals in the same way inaccessibles are beyond all aleph hierarchies inferrable from the axiom of replacement)
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Actually the physical reality contains physical alephs as well. Both Kaktusverse and Djoricverse interlinked with Acidverse where the nature of Aleph number is explained, so 3812's narrative might be higher than 1-A.
Infosphere contains the Constants and the Constants >>>> 256,713 inaccessible layers of conceptual hierarchy of SCP-4736
 
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Wardokman69 said:
Actually the physical reality contains physical alephs as well. Both Kaktusverse and Djoricverse interlinked with Acidverse where the nature of Aleph number is explained, so 3812's narrative might be higher than 1-A.
Infosphere contains the Constants and the Constants >>>> 256,713 inaccessible layers of conceptual hierarchy of SCP-4736
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I know Djoricverse links to Acidverse, but what's the evidence Kaktusverse does the same?
 
How big really is the 2-A multiverse of SCP? DND has an endless number of multiverses and are the strongest 2-A's on the site.
 
Kirinator07 said:
How big really is the 2-A multiverse of SCP? DND has an endless number of multiverses and are the strongest 2-A's on the site.
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The SCP multiverse isn't 2-A, it's the Infosphere, which is two layers above baseline Tier 0.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
The SCP multiverse isn't 2-A, it's the Infosphere, which is two layers above baseline Tier 0.
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He refers to Article Canon multiverse tho. Like, a 2-A Article canon of Yaldaboth who's scaled to infinite universes with each universe contains infinite iterations.

Also Infosphere isn't two layers above baseline. It's way higher since it contains being such as the Constants and 4736.
 
Wardokman69 said:
He refers to Article Canon multiverse tho. Like, a 2-A Article canon of Yaldaboth who's scaled to infinite universes with each universe contains infinite iterations.

Also Infosphere isn't two layers above baseline. It's way higher since it contains being such as the Constants and 4736.
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The statement about hundreds of thousands of layers seems pretty ill-explained.
 
Hello, may i ask something?
So, i just read the footnote in SCP-3812's profile. It says "The narratives which SCP-3812 interacts with are considered different and smaller than narrative seen in more recent narratives from Placeholder/Ike model of pataphysics, as they contradict this model... As a result, they are tiered on their own."
My question is, why does the Kaktusverse tiered differently from the Placeholder? Is there an explanation to it? Thank you.
 
Chara said:
Hello, may i ask something?
So, i just read the footnote in SCP-3812's profile. It says "The narratives which SCP-3812 interacts with are considered different and smaller than narrative seen in more recent narratives from Placeholder/Ike model of pataphysics, as they contradict this model... As a result, they are tiered on their own."
My question is, why does the Kaktusverse tiered differently from the Placeholder? Is there an explanation to it? Thank you.
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Kaktusverse hierarchy is different from Placeverse hierarchy
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
Currently, as I've stated before, the strongest character to have shown up in an actual article is Extended Universe Swann, which is 7 inaccessible layers into Tier 0. However, stuff that has been stated to exist in interviews is a good deal stronger than even that, and accounting for everything, the cosmology is like this:
  1. Physical Reality = Varies from Low 2-C to 1-A+ (Canons without a canonical dimensionality are assumed to be a 4D spacetime, while the Kaktusverse has the highest ontology with SCP-3812's narrative stack)
  2. Noosphere = High 1-A (First inaccessible transcendence)
  3. Seminosphere = 0 (Second inaccessible transcendence)
  4. Patasphere = 0 (Third inaccessible transcendence)
  5. Infosphere = 0 (Fourth inaccessible transcendence, contains an infinity of Pataspheres, each one defining a separate canon)
  6. 2nd Narrative Layer = 0 (Fifth inaccessible transcendence)
  7. Proxyverse = 0 (Sixth inaccessible transcendence)
  8. "True Authors" Swann = 0 (Seventh inaccessible transcendence)
  9. Metafoundation Narrative Stack = 0 (Infinite inaccessible transcendences)
  10. Universe Prime = 0 (Transcends the cosmology as a whole, meaning it would be unreachably beyond inaccessible cardinals in the same way inaccessibles are beyond all aleph hierarchies inferrable from the axiom of replacement)
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Hey man I'm trying to find stuff about 9 and 10, being the Metafoundation Narrative Stack and Universe Prime. Can you link me to these interviews that talk about this stuff? Also if it exists, could you link me to an SCP Cosmology Explanation page that details this stuff? Sorry if this is an inconvenience I am just really curious. I'm confused on the cosmology in general since IH Pickman's proposal said that it contained the Infosphere and that it is the patasphere, yet you said that patasphere was below the infosphere. I also dont know what the 2nd narrative layer is, and I don't know what the Seminosphere is.

Also, quick question: I saw that you basically said that the jump from the first inaccessible cardinal to the second would be the jump from High 1-A to 0 (since u said that Noosphere is High 1-A and then Seminosphere is 0). This would basically be a parallel of the jump from Aleph-0 to Aleph-1, or Aleph-1 to Aleph-2 and so on. But I thought that, to be 0, from what is says on the tiering system page, 0 needs to exceed High 1-A as High 1-A does to 1-A, and since 1-A is surpassed from a jump from the aleph numbers to inaccessibles, I thought, to be 0, you would need to make the jump from inaccessibles to the type of cardinal you described in the Universe Prime description rather than just jumping inaccessibles, since this would basically be the High 1-A equivalent of Aleph-2 to Aleph-3, which would remain 1-A. Am I under a misconception?
 
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Does anyone of you perhaps have scans where Tufto's Proposal SK was used to counter I.H. Pickmann's proposal, which I presume is the patasphere?
 
We might have a bit of a problem here.

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Wardokman69 said:
Wasn't something like this isn't allowed by the wiki standards of copyright infingement?
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We've had pages like SCP-3167 and SCP-4028 added to the wiki page and it has been addressed so it should not be a problem.

Anyways while the thought of tier 0 SCP-3812 is reactionary, I don't know where in the grander cosmology will it be placed, glad its being looked over.
 
There's a chance that SCP-3812 scaling like this could potentially downgrade SCP instead of upgrading it. The logic of the Noosphere scaling to High 1-A relies on SCP-3812's 1-A+ structure being below it, without which it would only be 1-A from scaling to the Acidverse.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
There's a chance that SCP-3812 scaling like this could potentially downgrade SCP instead of upgrading it. The logic of the Noosphere scaling to High 1-A relies on SCP-3812's 1-A+ structure being below it, without which it would only be 1-A from scaling to the Acidverse.
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True, but there's stuff like all possible uncountables prior to the inaccessible cardinal in SCP-7650, although I don't really know if its for 1-A+ or for SCP-5800.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
There's a chance that SCP-3812 scaling like this could potentially downgrade SCP instead of upgrading it. The logic of the Noosphere scaling to High 1-A relies on SCP-3812's 1-A+ structure being below it, without which it would only be 1-A from scaling to the Acidverse.
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The SCP-3812 1-A+ shenanigans are most definitely now unusable. Whether the Noosphere gets effected or not is unknown, considering there are other arguments for High 1-A.
 
Is there only one noosphere or are there canons with their own noospheres? I wonder if it would be even possible for Kaktusverse to be separated from current stuff
 
Itzmrbonezone said:
Is there only one noosphere or are there canons with their own noospheres? I wonder if it would be even possible for Kaktusverse to be separated from current stuff
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Metafoundation's approach to this is that each canon is one timeline in the infinite SCP multiverse, all of which have a Noosphere enveloping them, all of which have a Seminosphere enveloping them, all of which have a Patasphere enveloping them, and all of these infinite Pataspheres are within the Infosphere.
 
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