Scarlet Witch vs Strange Supreme | Grief Stricken Sorcerers (Grace)

[Valiant_Abyss]

Well I thought this would be fitting. Duel of the MCU magic practitioners who drove themselves and their potential to farther, and darker heights. Crap load of parallels between these two, so lets do it.

Post-Endgame Scarlet Witch and Pre-Fusion Strange Supreme are used. Speed is equalized. Who wins and why?

Scarlet Witch vs Strange Supreme​

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The Watcher says its a Draw:

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

A Tentacle monster Wizard vs A female?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

A Tentacle monster Wizard vs A female?

Well Shuma Gorath is rumored to be in Multiverse of Madness, so it won't be long until we could potentially see it in live action

Tentacle jokes aside, gimme your thoughts on the match now .

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Could go either way via witch matter maluplation or tp or strangers succ power

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Wanda twitches her hand and snaps Strange’s neck.

Edit: Also runes to neg his super succ.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Wanda twitches her hand and snaps Strange’s neck.

would she lead with TK first thing tho?

 

[Dalesean027]

Not sure if she'll lead with TK but she is massively faster than this Strange so she should be able to restrain him faster than he can attack

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Not sure if she'll lead with TK but she is massively faster than this Strange so she should be able to restrain him faster than he can attack

Good point, but I apologize for what I’m about to do next.

speed is now equalized. I either forgot to add that or I just forgot that pre IW strange has different speed scaling than Wanda.

 

[Dalesean027]

Lol no need to apologize for that one and one thing I'll say is thay we've seen this strange disable magical rune's a couple of times already so I doubt he'd just sit back while Wanda throws up runes without disabling them so I think that's out of question this time around

 

[Dalesean027]

Wanda starts with either TK, Magic Blast or tries to go in for the mind manip. I honestly doubt the effectiveness of mind manip in this case since even the normal doctor strange can see through Mind manip in episode 4 of what if and for the fact that his body houses several other powerful beings

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Doesn't Supreme lead with absorption?

 

[Dalesean027]

Doesn't Supreme lead with absorption?

Yes I believe in the episode he leads with that then switches to his beams and other abilities from his absorbed beings then mind hax

 

[Dalesean027]

That's unless you want to count him BFRing good Strange from his own timeline before fighting

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I don't think Wanda can counter absorption. But Class T TK is gonna be a heavy problem. As this version has no counter to getting crushed.

I guess Strange could try go out of range and shoot her down? But is that in character?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also he could just time travel and kill Wanda in the past, but I don't think that's in character

 

[Dalesean027]

I don't think Wanda can counter absorption. But Class T TK is gonna be a heavy problem. As this version has no counter to getting crushed.

I guess Strange could try go out of range end shoot her down? But is that in character?

Also he could just time travel and kill Wanda in the past, but I don't think that's in character

I'd say what I said before is in character since that's the order of things from how he fought in the episode

Yes I believe in the episode he leads with that then switches to his beams and other abilities from his absorbed beings then mind hax

That's unless you want to count him BFRing good Strange from his own timeline before fighting

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Actually never mind, he could protect himself with his shields to defend against Wanda's TK. As it's Island level AP vs universal+ dura. Whether or not he can do it in time is debatable

 

[Dalesean027]

He also did definitely hide in Strange's shadow among other things and BFR him into the sky

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Actually never mind, he could protect himself with his shields to defend against Wanda's TK. As it's Island level AP vs universal+ dura. Whether or not he can do it in time is debatable

This is Pre-Fusion Strange. His shields are Tier 7.

I don't think it would be much of a factor anyways, because I don't remember strange using shields in his fight with good strange much anyways. Also, shields... don't protect you against TK.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

This is Pre-Fusion Strange. His shields are Tier 7.

I don't think it would be much of a factor anyways, because I don't remember strange using shields in his fight with good strange much anyways. Also, shields... don't protect you against TK.

Ah ok. But wdym his shields aren't a good factor against TK anyway? His Low 2-C shield was able to form a bubble around him

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Ah ok. But wdym his shields aren't a good factor against TK anyway? His Low 2-C shield was able to form a bubble around him

TK is lifting strength, not AP first off. Second, tk is like exerting force without having to touch or make contact with the target in any way. I don't see how shields protect against that.

 

[Dalesean027]

Honestly Strange's wincon involves his getting his absorption off at any moment. His absorption by the looks of it is much stronger than that of Agatha's and happens very quickly and I'd say he uses more ways to get into blindspots than Wanda does though they're both pretty sly.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Is that a vote?

 

[Dalesean027]

Eh not really the more I think about it, it sounds incon to me since Either he opens up with absorption superior to that of Agatha's or Wanda TK's and crushes immediately

leaning towards the Watcher

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

TK is lifting strength, not AP first off. Second, tk is like exerting force without having to touch or make contact with the target in any way. I don't see how shields protect against that.

How is Class T TK gonna break through something with Low 2-C durability? I'm pretty sue that's not how it works.

 

[Dalesean027]

How is Class T TK gonna break through something with Low 2-C durability? I'm pretty sue that's not how it works.

I believe the shields in this case don't even matter if she can just crush him by completely bypassing the shields and just TK'ing him

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Telekinesis is literally just applying force to something up without having to interact with it. Shields don't do anything to protect you from TK.

Lets say Cap's shield had 3-A dura. That doesn't mean he's protected from TK. You need resistance or power null to TK to avoid TK.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I believe the shields in this case don't even matter if she can just crush him by completely bypassing the shields and just TK'ing him

How does she bypass a Low 2-C sphere...

 

[Dalesean027]

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Telekinesis is literally just applying force to something up without having to interact with it. Shields don't do anything to protect you from TK.

Lets say Cap's shield had 3-A dura. That doesn't mean he's protected from TK. You need resistance or power null to TK to avoid TK.

Literally yes it's just this, Thanos was wearing a full suit of armor and she simply just crushed him with TK and there was nothing he could do about it

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

She doesn't need to interact with the sphere though. She just TK's him from inside the sphere because thats literally how TK works.

 

[Dalesean027]

How does she bypass a Low 2-C sphere...

She never interacts with the shields to begin with with tk she doesn't have to she can just go straight for him and crush him into a fine splatter inside the shield without ever needing to touch it

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Again this is literally all irrelevant anyways as strange doesn't even use shields often.

His shields in this key are aren't even Low 2-C. They're 7-B in this key lol.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah this is pre-fusion strange he's just super haxed like Wanda not actually low 2-C like his other key

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Bump

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Wanda reads the Sorcerer SIMPreme’s mind and makes a Christine for him causing Strange to give up the fight and become Wanda’s goon out of gratitude.

 

[Spinoirr]

Ok what happened to this fight?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

shrug.

 

[Dalesean027]

No idea tbh

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Bump

Anyone wanna vote orrrr...

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Sure why not

strange gives her the gawk gawk

Strange fra