Satsuki Kiryuin VS. Esdeath

[ViperVillian25]

So it's as simple as they fight it out for awhile, then Satsuki pushes Esdeath to her limit and then Esdeath time stops and kills.

 

[Schnee_One]

Until Satsuki shockwaves and gives away where she is and her position, which she does by existing.

 

[Ryukama]

>Satsuki isn't willing to kill people in combad

This is literally what Ryuko said in response to Satsuki's willingness to kill people in combat.

 

[Cropfist]

Why would this not be added?

 

[Schnee_One]

@Cropfist

Forum move

@Ryu I already said I was wrong.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Any thread made after april 15th is going to be deleted due to the forum move

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Satsuki regularly uses her sword to reach kilometers as her sword creates multi-kilometer shockwaves when she swings it, hell she's done so with her mere presence several times
Esdeath needs ice to reach kilometers, Satsuki just needs to exist to do the same

Inverse square law means the shockwaves are basically useless at that range tho

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Zephros Not really seeing as she's harmed people on her level with her shockwaves from that distance as have people who are on her level

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

@Zephros Not really seeing as she's harmed people on her level with her shockwaves from that distance as have people who are on her level

clips pls

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I have a problem with that, actually. This is something I've been wanting to know since the Garou thread. We say that Satsuki's shockwaves are comparable to her, however the only instance I've ever seen them work on was an inexperienced Pre-Synchronized Ryuko, who didn't know how to use Senketsu properly. Once she properly used it, Ryuko fought on par with her despite the wounds she sustained earlier, even evolving her Scissor Blade.

Why does this scale at all?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because she's used her shockwaves on Ryuko and other opponents of comparable power throughout the entirety of the series and consistently harmed them with them? Off the top of my had she used her shockwaves on 7-A ryuko and visibly harmed her.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

What other opponents? When has that ever happened besides the example I just listed.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Off the top of my head she harmed Ryuko with her shockwaves during the battle for Osaka and Ryuko oneshot numerous 7-A covers with a shockwave in her base form

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Off the top of my head she harmed Ryuko with her shockwaves during the battle for Osaka and Ryuko oneshot numerous 7-A covers with a shockwave in her base form

Scans/Clips please.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Satsuki

Ryuko

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There's also this feat satsuki performed when she was in middle school without junketsu, this feat performed as a warning, this feat performed just to scare away an army, this feat done while holding back against berserk ryuko, and this feat done to incap her own mind controlled army

Also Ryuko did this while in her base form

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Weekly can you show me proof of Satsuki suppressing her killing intent please? Because I don't remember that being a thing in Kill la Kill.

Here

 

[ViperVillian25]

That'll do, Satsuki could get a couple of decent hits on Esdeath and get a head start on the fight possibly, I still don't think she has answer to Time Stop whilst speed is equalised, She'll still have more than enough time to use it when pressed. And Satsuki still can't finish Esdeath before then.

 

[Schnee_One]

They're useless at 4KM range is the issue. Shockwaves and explosions massively dissipate the further way you are from it.

Also those clips show 7A Satsuki shockwaving (Is that a word) 7C Ryuko

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Except theyre not useless at 4 km as theyve harmed people as strong as themselves from that distance

 

[Schnee_One]

Going down the list on each Gif

1. Uzu is far weaker then Satsuki, his Mark 1 version of himself said he "Might" beat her middle school self

2. That was pre synchronization Ryuko, like Milly mentioned above.

3. The Army is fodder though

4. Same as 2.

5. Same as 2.

Just to go even further, from 4KM away? The elite 4 could withstand shockwaves from both Satsuki and Ryuko's willpower from a much lesser distance https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_yQBG1KTS4M

Let's ignore all of the arguments against shockwaves and why they don't work so I can ask, why does it matter? Shockwaving gives away her position removing the need for senses. And Satsuki, even if she wear to Spam Shockwaves, even if she were to actually harm someone comparable to her at that distance, continuously spamming shockwaves and Esdeath trying to counter gives her all the more reason to counter attack. You keep assuming that Esdeath will stand there and do nothing when she can not only end the fight then and there whenever she wants, but has always, I repeat, always, time stopped with her not being caught off guard. Esdeath will time Stop if Satsuki were to constantly spam shockwaves and Esdeath had no other choice but to use it when all her other options are moot by shockwaves

Shockwaves are not giving her a win, and they completely render any chance of Satsuki going stealth

But, with that in mind, she shockwaves in character, rendering senses out of the question now.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Im just going to gloss over everything you just said seeing as you appear to have missed the fact that all of the feats i posted for satsuki were casual as hell and her holding back immensely

Also the first clip i posted is satsuki shockwaving 7-A Ryuko

 

[Schnee_One]

<I'm just going to gloss over everything you just said

No. No you won't.

Lack of Evidence is not Evidence, assuming that her harming people on her level is possible from 4KM away when that never happened is out of the question.

Ryuko and Satsuki went all out post synchronization, neither harmed eachother with a shockwave, and the one time they did do a shockwave Ryuko got blown back without any harm at point blank range.

Also, you glossing over my post means you clearly did not read the other half, the entire part of the post where I said that shockwaves won't give her the win even if they did what you say they can.

So no, you will not gloss over my entire post, you will Address when they have done that, and you will address how they give her the win with that.

Debating with you is pointless if you're not going to read. The least you could do on a match that won't even be added.

 

[Schnee_One]

Im just going to gloss over everything you just said seeing as you appear to have missed the fact that all of the feats i posted for satsuki were casual as hell and her holding back immensely

Also the first clip i posted is satsuki shockwaving 7-A Ryuko

That was a blade strike, not a shockwave.

Nor at 4KM distance

 

[WeeklyBattles]

That was a blade strike, not a shockwave.

Nor at 4KM distance

This is a shockwave

 

[Schnee_One]

Let's ignore all of the arguments against shockwaves and why they don't work so I can ask, why does it matter? Shockwaving gives away her position removing the need for senses. And Satsuki, even if she wear to Spam Shockwaves, even if she were to actually harm someone comparable to her at that distance, continuously spamming shockwaves and Esdeath trying to counter gives her all the more reason to counter attack. You keep assuming that Esdeath will stand there and do nothing when she can not only end the fight then and there whenever she wants, but has always, I repeat, always, time stopped with her not being caught off guard. Esdeath will time Stop if Satsuki were to constantly spam shockwaves and Esdeath had no other choice but to use it when all her other options are moot by shockwaves

Shockwaves are not giving her a win, and they completely render any chance of Satsuki going stealth

But, with that in mind, she shockwaves in character, rendering senses out of the question now.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

snip

I already gave evidence that both satsuki and people on satsuki's level physically are able to harm each other at long range with their shockwaves, no assumptions are being made here

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Im just going to gloss over everything you just said seeing as you appear to have missed the fact that all of the feats i posted for satsuki were casual as hell and her holding back immensely

 

[Schnee_One]

No. You are not glossing over me saying shockwaves won't matter even if everything you said was true. Ignoring my post and focusing on one part of it and not the part where I point out that Shockwaves will not give her the victory even if they did that will not suffice.

Me: Shockwaves haven't harmed someone on her level from 4KM away

You: Shows Evidence

Me: Goes against Evidence. Also shows that they won't give her the win even with that in mind

You: I'm going to gloss over it.

You will not gloss over the part where they will not give her the win despite that.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Seeing as, regardless of what you try to claim, timestop is a last resort that esdeath has feigned to use even when her life was in danger, i dont see why shockwaves wouldnt help

 

[Schnee_One]

And Satsuki, even if she wear to Spam Shockwaves, even if she were to actually harm someone comparable to her at that distance, continuously spamming shockwaves and Esdeath trying to counter gives her all the more reason to counter attack. You keep assuming that Esdeath will stand there and do nothing when she can not only end the fight then and there whenever she wants, but has always, I repeat, always, time stopped with her not being caught off guard. Esdeath will time Stop if Satsuki were to constantly spam shockwaves and Esdeath had no other choice but to use it when all her other options are moot by shockwaves

Shockwaves are not giving her a win, and they completely render any chance of Satsuki going stealth

But, with that in mind, she shockwaves in character, rendering senses out of the question now.

Mine: She time stopped

Susannoo: Did it again

Tatsumi: Did it again

Akame: Didn't see her as she was fighting off an entire army, and got cut, still time stopped and regenerated the wound

She has never not time stopped to avoid an inevitable situation, nor is she a braindead idiot that will sit there and tank repeated shockwave attacks until she dies.

 

[Schnee_One]

Oh, I responded on Discord

 

[ViperVillian25]

So as far as I can tell Satsuki's best win con is that if Esdeath chooses not to use Time Stop, when she absolutely would and with speed equalised she'd have more than enough chances to do so. Is that about right?