Sasuke vs Zeldris

[Robo432343]

Sasuke Uchiha (Part II)

Sasuke Uchiha is one of the last surviving members of Konohagakure's Uchiha clan. Since his childhood, he made it his goal to exact revenge against his older brother, Itachi Uchiha, who had slaughtered their entire clan. He was initially a member of Konoha's Team 7. However, Sasuke defected from...

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Zeldris

Zeldris also known as Zeldris the Piety is Meliodas' younger brother and one of the Ten Commandments that answer directly to the Demon King. He was granted the Commandment of Piety, and is responsible for the ransacking of Camelot and the enslavement of its citizens as well as the denizens of...

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[Robo432343]

 

[speedster352]

If energies are equalized sasuke can’t do anything.

 

[Robo432343]

energies being equalized is optional
i don't think we assume they're equalized by default

 

[speedster352]

energies being equalized is optional
i don't think we assume they're equalized by default

But SBA automatically equalizes energies if they are similar enough. Even so Sasuke cannot counter omnious nebula and piety(if he tries to retreat)

 

[Robo432343]

But SBA automatically equalizes energies if they are similar enough. Even so Sasuke cannot counter omnious nebula and piety(if he tries to retreat)

ominius nebula takes time
sasuke can counter it with amaterasu, genjutsu, , kirin

 

[karo_senpaii]

If energies are equalized sasuke can’t do anything.

why?

But SBA automatically equalizes energies if they are similar enough. Even so Sasuke cannot counter omnious nebula and piety(if he tries to retreat)

what's zeldris answer to genjutsu?

 

[speedster352]

ominius nebula takes time
sasuke can counter it with amaterasu, genjutsu, , kirin

Omnious nebula doesn’t take time that’s a misconception he uses it against Mael, DK(mindscape) and dubs.

 

[Robo432343]

ok
i think sasuke will genjutsu zel

 

[speedster352]

ok
i think sasuke will genjutsu zel

If energies are equalized then the demon kings power would negate that. Also the demon king power overlaps with his own in other words it should work as to break him out. Also Zeldris wouldn’t look Sasuke in the eyes and how would Sasuke cast genjutsu while being sucked in and slash over and over again? Also if he retreats which he probably will he will get mind haxed.

 

[Sus]

ominius nebula takes time

it doesn't
we see him use it immediately whenever he wants (like against mael and the hermit thing)

 

[Sus]

Omnious nebula doesn’t take time that’s a misconception he uses it against Mael, DK(mindscape) and dubs.

beat me to it lol

 

[karo_senpaii]

If energies are equalized then the demon kings power would negate that. Also the demon king power overlaps with his own in other words it should work as to break him out. Also Zeldris wouldn’t look Sasuke in the eyes and how would Sasuke cast genjutsu while being sucked in and slash over and over again? Also if he retreats which he probably will he will get mind haxed.

sasuke has resistance to power null so it won't negate it. And no the demon king power cannot break him out sasuke genjutsu is above the likes of obito who could put a perfect jinjuriki like yagura under genjutsu for years. why would zeldris not look at sasuke eyes? that's literally something NNT characters do for strong enemies. Like zeldris was glaring at ludociel with all focus. sasuke has enough strength to not be sucked in immediately and he also has susanoo to protect him. He can also teleport out of range for a moment. From what i read on the profile zeldris commandment is Mind manipulation yeah never gonna work on someone who has 7 layers of resistance.
To talk more on ominous nebula sasuke would immediately perceive with his eyes and know what it is if for some reason he did not genjutsu zeldris beforehand. He can simply induce him with gravity and seal him right after manipulating his perception which would mess zeldris and ominous nebula away. On the off chance he gets caught he can use substitution to get out as well as teleporting away like merlin did. Also can someone confirm their ap values? coz if sasuke is higher he can just use shinra tensei to break ominous nebula

 

[Zezu1995]

genjutsu isnt doing much, and wont last long , demons have high mental resistance which they need in order to survive purgatory also zeldris gives off misama which will make sasuke sick and weak during the fight... sasuke also has very low chakra these days most of his skills he wont be able to keep using.. ON TOP of this.. zeldris delt with mental fights vs his dad . its a shame sasuke cant regen lol

 

[speedster352]

sasuke has resistance to power null so it won't negate it. And no the demon king power cannot break him out sasuke genjutsu is above the likes of obito who could put a perfect jinjuriki like yagura under genjutsu for years. why would zeldris not look at sasuke eyes? that's literally something NNT characters do for strong enemies. Like zeldris was glaring at ludociel with all focus. sasuke has enough strength to not be sucked in immediately and he also has susanoo to protect him. He can also teleport out of range for a moment. From what i read on the profile zeldris commandment is Mind manipulation yeah never gonna work on someone who has 7 layers of resistance.
To talk more on ominous nebula sasuke would immediately perceive with his eyes and know what it is if for some reason he did not genjutsu zeldris beforehand. He can simply induce him with gravity and seal him right after manipulating his perception which would mess zeldris and ominous nebula away. On the off chance he gets caught he can use substitution to get out as well as teleporting away like merlin did. Also can someone confirm their ap values? coz if sasuke is higher he can just use shinra tensei to break ominous nebula

Zeldris always fights at his full strength which would be omnious nebula. Demon kings power is above baseline powernull which accepted. Again susano is not breaking omnious nubula it block the one escanor for a duration of time. Again subbing out will count as retreating which will activate piety. The commandments are law based curses and work on characters that have strong mind resistance also the commandments have resistance negation check the demon kings profile.

 

[Sus]

what keys are being used?

since zeldris has his commandment and god, it's the first key

what about Sasuke?

 

[Robo432343]

what keys are being used?

since zeldris has his commandment and god, it's the first key

what about Sasuke?

SBA assumes strongest keys

 

[Robo432343]

genjutsu isnt doing much, and wont last long , demons have high mental resistance which they need in order to survive purgatory also zeldris gives off misama which will make sasuke sick and weak during the fight... sasuke also has very low chakra these days most of his skills he wont be able to keep using.. ON TOP of this.. zeldris delt with mental fights vs his dad . its a shame sasuke cant regen lol

Genjutsu is 7 layers
Demons mental resistance is baseline

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Can't Zeldris just curse Sasuke?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Pretty sure this is a stomp in Sasuke's favor

 

[Robo432343]

no

 

[speedster352]

Genjutsu is 7 layers
Demons mental resistance is baseline

Actuay above that again with energies equalized Genjutsu is getting negated. Also DK power is above baseline power null abandoned is layered.

 

[Robo432343]

Actuay above that again with energies equalized Genjutsu is getting negated. Also DK power is above baseline power null abandoned is layered.

Zeldris is not negating 7 layers of genjutsu

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Zeldris is not negating 7 layers of genjutsu

Can't Zeldris just not look at Sasuke and pull Nebula?

 

[Delta3000]

Hard to call.
If genjutsu doesn't work then sasuke gets minced by ominous nebula.

 

[Robo432343]

Can't Zeldris just not look at Sasuke and pull Nebula?

how is Zeldris supposed to know about genjutsu

not looking at your opponent when fighting them is a terrible idea anyway

 

[Lloydblitzed]

how is Zeldris supposed to know about genjutsu

not looking at your opponent when fighting them is a terrible idea anyway

Doesn't SBA give both chars knowledge abt the other's abilities? Or Im tweaking?

 

[Robo432343]

Doesn't SBA give both chars knowledge abt the other's abilities?

no

Or Im tweaking?

yes

 

[Lloydblitzed]

no

yes

Voting for Sasuke then

 

[Zezu1995]

this man riding genjutsu and sasuke has yet to use it on anyone worth a damn... he gets his soul taken

 

[KaydeeX]

demons have high mental resistance which they need in order to survive purgatory also zeldris gives off misama which will make sasuke sick and weak during the fight

This doesn’t grant them 7 Layers of resistance.

Also DK power is above baseline power null abandoned is layered.

can you please link the thread it was accepted.
Also, Zeldris would be caught in Genjutsu before he can use resistance negation. Since genjutsu is almost instantaneous comparable to people with similar speed; given speed is equalized here.

 

[Testarossa002]

this man riding genjutsu and sasuke has yet to use it on anyone worth a damn... he gets his soul taken

Let's not do this. We don't need to spell it out in every thread involving sharingan users
There are reasons why he doesn't do it at times. It's either:
1. The opponent is quite superior to him stat wise (raikage, Jigen etc)
2. The opponent can break out (Naruto, Kaguya etc)
3. The opponent have prior knowledge and have taken steps to avoid being caught (Kabuto, Deidara etc)
None of which applies to Zeldris
Sasuke faced the bijuus and put them in a genjutsu from the onset. Why? Because he knows they don't have the necessary counters

 

[Testarossa002]

Wait
This is even Part II Sasuke
Even better

 

[speedster352]

This doesn’t grant them 7 Layers of resistance.

can you please link the thread it was accepted.
Also, Zeldris would be caught in Genjutsu before he can use resistance negation. Since genjutsu is almost instantaneous comparable to people with similar speed; given speed is equalized here.

Dk power is passive when activated so genjutsu and most of sasuke arsenal is negated. Merlin resist powernull but still can’t affect Zeldris with magic. Again Omnious nebula would be too much for sasuke to land a genjutsu. And if sasuke retreats he gets hit by piety. Also he didn’t have his commandment when he fought Merlin and it wouldn’t work anyway since she has the SD blessings.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Zeldris always fights at his full strength which would be omnious nebula. Demon kings power is above baseline powernull which accepted. Again susano is not breaking omnious nubula it block the one escanor for a duration of time. Again subbing out will count as retreating which will activate piety. The commandments are law based curses and work on characters that have strong mind resistance also the commandments have resistance negation check the demon kings profile.

fighting at full power does not mean immediately using your strongest technique. He first fought mael for a while before using it same as ludociel. Is it accepted in the evaluation thread? No one said susanoo is, susanoo is preventing zeldris attack from breaking through. Subbing out does not count as retreating it counts as dodging. Sasuke has 7 layers of resistance try again.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Dk power is passive when activated so genjutsu and most of sasuke arsenal is negated. Merlin resist powernull but still can’t affect Zeldris with magic. Again Omnious nebula would be too much for sasuke to land a genjutsu. And if sasuke retreats he gets hit by piety. Also he didn’t have his commandment when he fought Merlin and it wouldn’t work anyway since she has the SD blessings.

considering mael was able to use sunshine as weapons and course it through his body I'm pretty certain sasuke primary fighting styles like chidori blade or susanoo would be perfectly fine. ANd I ask again you claim demon king power null is layered. Was it accepted in the evaluation thread? sasuke has several win cons. sealing, genjutsu and straight up overwhelming him with ap.

 

[speedster352]

fighting at full power does not mean immediately using your strongest technique. He first fought mael for a while before using it same as ludociel. Is it accepted in the evaluation thread? No one said susanoo is, susanoo is preventing zeldris attack from breaking through. Subbing out does not count as retreating it counts as dodging. Sasuke has 7 layers of resistance try again.

Actually after Mael threw he used ON, he used ON against the hermit of moments and he says himself that he always fights at his strongest. Again does sasuke resist law based mind hax that has resistance negation. Layers are not as strong as law hax.

 

[KaydeeX]

Actually after Mael threw he used ON, he used ON against the hermit of moments and he says himself that he always fights at his strongest. Again does sasuke resist law based mind hax that has resistance negation. Layers are not as strong as law hax.

What law based hax lol

Dk power is passive when activated so genjutsu and most of sasuke arsenal is negated.

His powernull comes from actively sealing the magic of 2 commandments, and it doesn’t matter since Sasuke resists anyway, Unless you provide where it got evaluated that his powernull is layered.

Merlin resist powernull but still can’t affect Zeldris with magic

This doesn’t inherently mean it’s a layered power null, it could just be Zeldris resisting her attack or at worst just tanking it

Again Omnious nebula would be too much for sasuke to land a genjutsu

Why would it be

 

[speedster352]

What law based hax lol

His powernull comes from actively sealing the magic of 2 commandments, and it doesn’t matter since Sasuke resists anyway, Unless you provide where it got evaluated that his powernull is layered.

This doesn’t inherently mean it’s a layered power null, it could just be Zeldris resisting her attack or at worst just tanking it

Why would it be

Limited Law Manipulation(Created The Commandments that are distributed to selected warriors, which contain power that cannot be violated by the enemy or the owner. Like Galand who received the power of the commandment, but because he broke the rules set forth he was exposed to the consequences)

Powernull working on characters that resist it means it’s above baseline try asking the staff then. How does outright negating attacks from characters with blatant powernull resistance doesn’t count but for someone like Asta it works?

 

[Majinere566]

What is Sasuke’s AP?