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Funny thing is, both of them have heroic spirit forms as well.
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Santōryū vs Niten Ichi-ryū
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Nobody talked about acausality control here. Her eyes make just that her Actively trying to cut the arm off result to be the only posoble outcome by erasing all the other.
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Oh god no!
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I think we have different interpration of what her fate manip does so I'll just say how I see it.
If she wants to cut zoro's arm then she cuts all the possibilities where that fails only leaving the possibilities where is succeed happens. She still need to actively go for his arm, but every possibility where that failed is cut down. Therefore, zoro trying to dodge or block it will fail because time and space will twist so that his arm will always get cut off. No one is calming that his arms will just suddenly fly off once she chooses a possibility she still needs to actively do it it's just that Zoro can not counter since all the possibility of him countering has already be cut off.
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Which means without zero, she can't do it with Zoro either, because he'd continue reacting to her in the present regardless of what means she takes, unless she blitzes him... Or throws sand in his eyes idk
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Gilgamesh is one of the people i don't like to use in match, everything just depend to his arrogance lol
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? It's different case tho, so no. Zoro have nothing to stop here to doing it, when she will shave these possibilities he can't do a thing even id he know that happen
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Yet it's strange how she couldn't do that against Yagyu, or MHX. I'm not going to assume she bypasses precog when skill and good instinct were shown to outdo her ability of reaching the best outcome.
Yagyu had better skill, ZORO HAS LITERAL PRECOGNITION and awareness of what the immidiate future action she'll take will be. The latter sounds far more convenient to have as a counter if you ask me.
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Why are you guys still arguing? .-.
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Yagyu countered her because his own hax Suigetsu not because of skill so still false equivalency
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And what does Suigetsu do?
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He argue that since yagyu suigetsu was able to counter heavenly eyes, then zoro czn counter.
It's like telling that zoro can counter zero musashi because infinity sasaki can
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It didn't work on Yagyu because he was more skilled than her. There was no possibility of her wining so it failed.
LIKE I SAID PRECOG WON'T DO ANYTHING SINCE HE CANNOT CHANGE FATE. He need to be more skilled/stronger/having a ability that makes it so there is no possbility where he loses or else it becomes like the Ishun fight. She is weaker than him, but there is one possibility where she wins so she chooses that possibility and she won.
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Isn't Suigetsu the pincal of yagyu's skill like how infinity is sasaki's and zero musashi's?
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As such, a swordsman that has reached Suigetsu is able to read and react to any opponent like water that reflects and mirrors anything. Using this technique, he is capable of accounting for all possible outcomes of a situation, and staying a step ahead of all of them. It is so absolute that Musashi had to create a completely new possibility to manage to bypass this technique.
He just ahead in every possibility that she see because suigetsu so she can't have the one possibility where she beat him and so can't use the eyes
And it's why zoro doesn't counter, his thing is based on her final atk which mean she can do her thing.
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Being more skilled> Being skilled and literally foreseeing her next move? Bet.
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He had suigetsu since the beginning just not counted as mastered apparently but we never see it after so
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"All possible outcomes" is still not as effective as Kenbunshoku foreseeing the immidiate future.
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Well stop, this is pointless. This match probably isn't going to be added. Take this to your walls.
Eh, maybe I'll just un-watch.
Eh, maybe I'll just un-watch.
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Being more skilled and being infront of literally every possible moves she can move > being skilled and seeing her move. Not to mention seeing her next move does nothing because everything he can do to counter have already be cut down.
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Seeing "possible outcomes" is still just predicting POSSIBILITY. Kenbunshoku just foresees whatever she's already intent on doing. It doesn't account for "possibility", it just foresees the result.
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It's effective for musashi it's that that you don't understand bruh
Being ahead of here in every outcome mean she doesn't have a possibly where she win over him and so can't do the shave all infinite to one.
For zoro is foreseeing the immediate future (which is what do futur sight in first no?) Which mean that he will just see when she do the final atk, so she have no problem to do her infinite to one.
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As you can see. This is a never ending debate.
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He is seeing all possible outcomes and countering it. Kenbushoku is seeing one outcome. The reason why Kebunshoku will fail is because there is other outcomes it cannot predict and she will choose that one. Not to mention his kenbunshoku might not work due to concept manip.
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He doesn't predict can't you read? He already a step ahead of her in every of these possibilities he doesn't predict, he litteraly a move ahead in each possibility.
And accounting is what is the weakness here because the result will mean she can use her atk normally and then he will be locked to that only results
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He's a step ahead based on prediction, while actually literally foreseeing what she'll do next is somehow not a step ahead of her?
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Kenbunshoku sees the one DEFINITIVE OUTCOME because it doesn't rely on PREDICTING, it literally foresees what your intent will lead you to do. The only way Kenbunshoku got bypassed was through other Kenbunshoku users doing it, or being massively faster than the one foreseeing you can even react.
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He didn't predict. Read please.
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He not step ahead because prediction where do you see the word prediction in the description i sended you?
the simple reasoning is here, zoro seeing the results mean she can us her atk which mean he locked into that result as it now the only existing.
For yagyuu is like preventing her to use it because he is a step above her in all the possibilities/futur she see so she can't use her eyes in none of them.
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I am saying he sensing what she wants to do does nothing since it's fated to be what she wanted. Also won't mussashi's precog mess up zoro's if kenbunshoku user gets bypassed by other kenbushouku users.
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That's law manipulation or reality manipulation
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No its fate manip
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No, it's fate manipulation.
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Zoro's obs haki countered other precog users...
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And it's the weakness what is hard?
If he see a definite outcome it mean she have use it which mean he locked into that result.
Yagyuu suigetsu prevent her to use it because his a step ahead her in every possibility she see, which litteraly mea' she can't use it.
By ex she want to cut yagyuu right arm she see the infinity possibility but in these infinity one, yagyuu with suigetsu always counter here because he always a step ahead her. Which mean she can't use it. Because it doesn't exist a possibility where she can actually cut his arm
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You can counter fate manipulation by seeing and changing the future
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"As such, a swordsman that has reached Suigetsu is able to read and react to any opponent like water that reflects and mirrors anything. Using this technique, he is capable of accounting for all possible outcomes of a situation, and staying a step ahead of all of them. It is so absolute that Musashi had to create a completely new possibility to manage to bypass this technique."
What does the word "possible outcome" imply? He accounts for all POSSIBILITY. It's still not set in stone. Zoro's kenbunshoku is far better than that because it doesn't rely on possibility, it just sees the immidiate future that your own intent will lead you to do.
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You cannot without feats
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NLF DETECTED. NLF DETECTED.
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