Sans vs. Hulk

[Newendigo]

A multiversal being who does not reach his "absolute" yet.

Hulk and Charas's resistance to soul manipulation is useless becuase the fact KR can bypass that same resistance due to his "ignoring invisilility frames" nature, so it doesn't really matter here.

Also, who is stoping The hulk to just bust the planet, which i doubt that Sans has a way to survive it.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Chara has the stats to be multiversal when they fight Sans, with 99/99 thanks to the locket and knife. Chara are their absolute refers to their abstract existence, not their stats.

Regardless of whether it bypassed their resistance (which it will still do to hulk), it still easily killed a multiversal being. Hulk is literally several times infinitely less powerful than a multiversal being. Hul will soulhaxed and one shot before he can even bust the plant.

 

[Newendigo]

Hulk is MFTL+ in combat speed and reactions while Sans is only much faster than a MHS character (and even with that, he got quickly tired in a close fight). This does not even matter becuase SPEED IS EQUAL.

Even when KR can bypass durability, it take time to kill the target so basically hulk has time enough to destroy the planet, and then, BG to Sans.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Here's the thing though. Chara, as an offensive attacker, is not a good multiversal being. His power relies in his inability to die. He only wins through that. His resistances are okay at best, and just being tier 2 doesn't help with his resistances (cough Zeno cough). It's why he lost so many times to UtU and Sans. Frisk/Chara he's a s***ty fighter, but an extremely tenacious opponent.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Hulk for reasons above.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Chara has resistance to Soul Manip, its on their profile. Their defense against it clearly rises as they increase in power, taking less and less damage from monsters attacking their SOUL as their LV goes up. So s/he has multiversal soul resistance. Sans shreds that with ease, and attacks through it, just like he is going to do to Hulk, who is not a multiversal being, and will die much faster, so Hulk doesn't have time to destroy the planet, or sans, before sans phases a storm of bones into Hulk's body and rips his soul apart.

Hulk also does not in character simply destroy the planet first thing, so sans has plenty of time to teleport around out of danger and otherwise dodge Hulk's attacks.

 

[Newendigo]

That's now 13 vote for Hulk ( Grudge, Crop, Colonel, Gargoyle, Cal, Steve, Solbad guy, Huesito, Boomeyang, Omega And I).

And 4 for Sans (Monarch, Anonime, Loyal, Byakuya).

Soooo.. what now?

 

[Laughing_Manson]

You only listed 11 votes for Hulk.

 

[Newendigo]

Sorry, my brain has had a lot of stress this day.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

And nobody thinks that just maybe the fact that Sans can hax a being with multiversal dura and soul resistances to death in about 3 seconds means he can take down a Solar System level being with comparatively weaker durability and resistances in less than 3 seconds?

Nobody else apart from me, anonime, loyan and byakuya thinks this?

Seriously..?

Can I see some scans of Hulk's resistance to soul manipulation too?

 

[Newendigo]

That's not how works KR. Besides you should remember how looks his victory, loses and tie counts, Winning against Broly but tieng against Beerus. Sans is just a weard class cannon who can take down a multiversal being but lose against a building level character.

Anyway. Can someone closte this please before this get out of the hand?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Explain how KR works then other than "powerful soul manipulation that ignores resistances".

And I will remain civil and "in hand", but we aren't done here, seeing as everyone seems to think that the Soul Manipualtion that ignores resistances and takes down multiversal beings will fail to get through the soul resistance of a 4-B.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Yah after the one day waiting period I'll close this and a admin will add this(both profiles are locked for me so I can't do it all myself.)

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

From what I've seen, hulk's resistance to Soul/mind manipulation is the result of his multiple personalities and lets him resist control. That is not going to cut it against direct SOUL damage, especially sans's special KR SOUL manipulation that ignores resistances .Combine that with gravity manipulation to throw Hulk around (which he can do because physical strength/weight is irrelevant to gravity), spatial manipulation to make his attacks instantly hit the hulk, and teleportation to stay out of the way of attacks, Sans can easily take this.

And then consider sans battle personality. He will do all of the above, first thing, all at once, no arrogance/honour/etc holding him back. He will finish Hulk in seconds, before hulk can do anything to stop him.

And if hulk does get a chance to do something:

Hulk tries thunderclaps - sans teleports the moving air away from him. Seeing as speed is equalised, he can react to hulk clapping easily.

Hulk tries destroying the planet - sans uses blue mode to keep him away from the earth or just soul haxes Hulk to death before he can.

Hulk tries to get close - sans teleports away and impales Hulk with a dozen soul haxing bones.

Seriously. Why does anyone think Hulk wins this??

 

[Grudgeman1706]

@monarch you are seriously underestimating the hulk in a ton of different aspects and over estimating the abulites of sand to a far extent.

U do realize he's shrugged off a direct soul attack from GHOST RIDER and even shrugged off the fact his flames burn the soul but did absolutely nothing to the hulk by piss him off.

So no bones are going to put hulk down for the count.

sans teleports the moving air away from him.

.....are you serious like wow, I don't even need to play undertake to know that's complete BS, I've seen a lot sans arguments but you are the only one who has ever claimed something as ridiculous as that. Pls show me even just one example of him teleporting air or anything remotely similar to that in his fight.

You complaining on why people don't see why hulk wins isn't going to change the fact theirs 13 people who voted hulk and only 4 for sans. The fight is basically over so I suggest you cease complaining and just wait for NEW people to respond.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

If the reasons for a vote are debunked, is that vote still valid?

 

[Newendigo]

Thunderclaps is practically a omnidirectional attack that cannot simply be avoided, Sans would teleport himself veeeeeery far from Hulk to aim him well. And with speed equal Hulk also can react to his bone spam laser (something that he have experience).

KR need time to comsume complete the HP bar to kill him (which is inexistend here), Hulk only need to clap is hand to make Sans keep far away from him, when he has the opportunity, Hulk will smash the planet.

Really? Now Sans has control over the air? what is next? He will just make appear a bone inside Hulk's brain and kill him?

Sorry for be rude, but we are done here.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Righto, I'm annoyed. Time to debunk all of Hulk's votes then

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Debunking votes for Hulk. Episode 1

Hulk has endured a massive amount of punishment, and Sans tired after about, I'd say twelve minutes of combat. It's only a matter of time before Hulk shatters his opponent.

[Omega's next comment]

Hulk is resistant to soul based attacks and has pretty good Regenerationn

Sans ignores durability with his attacks. So Hulk's physical durability is meaningless to this fight.

12 minutes of combat is an arbitrary number that is also meaningless. And this fight would be over one way or another before sans tires out.

Sans's soul manipulation can kill a 2-B multiversal being with equivalent resistances to their teir. So either he ignores resistances to soul manipulation, or he can overwhelm the resistances of 2-B soul resistances. Either one makes Hulk's resistances to soul manipulation meaningless. And if the soul is destroyed, Regenerationn won't help either.

Hulk has resistances to soul attacks so Sans's soul manipulation won't work. He probably takes this.

See above.

To be continued on next week (minute's) episode "debunking votes for Hulk"

 

[Grudgeman1706]

@monarch it isn't up to you to decide whether or not votes count just because you feel like you debunked them.

You aren't even addressing the facts that your claims have already been debunked above by others like cal and the rest. And at this point are just repeating the same thing you say over and over.

I'd advise you to stop derailing this thread and just wait until new people vote or say anything.

 

[Newendigo]

The time you're gonna have doing that would be unnesesary.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Debunking votes for Hulk: Episode 2

Hulk for reasons above

See Episode 1 for why those "reasons above" are invalid

Hulk just smashes the planet and blows up Sans along with it

EZ win for Banner

[Badgay's next comment]


He would totally do that. Just by roaring in range he would

Also, in character, Sans is lazy af usually unless you're Chara who murdered like everyone including his brother

So unless this is assuming Banner punched out Papyrus, then Sans has no reason to take this seriously and even if he did, Hulk is naturally an angry guy and could also just do a Thunderclap from afar to kill Sans

Forgive me if I don't tackle your points in order.

If sans is willing to kill. And if sans is willing to kill, he is pissed off. So yes, sans is willing to use all the strategies and fighting style he was using against Chara.

If sans has this personality, then he is going to impale Hulk with hundreds of bones, through his eyes, brain, mouth, etc from the moment the fight starts. This will incapacitate Hulk's body (not kill, thanks to Hulk's regen), but it will completely shred his soul. Hulk will not have time to roar, or clap or destroy the planet. He will be dead.

Yeah that would kill sans, if the planet gets destroyed then gg for sans. [Heusito's next comment] Yeah I was going to say that I don't know if sans can dodge a thunder clap a while ago, but I forgot to.

See my previous reasons as to why thunder claps and earth breaking won't happen

To be continued next time on "debunking votes for Hulk"

 

[Newendigo]

Man, Sans's AP is wall level, his bone are no where near to penetrate Hulk's skin, he would still capable to deal soul damage, but empale him? Are you trolling?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm going to end this in a single compound sentence. (just a joke ovo)

Hax does not equate to tiers and Ghost Rider has better soul hax than anyone in UT, who Hulk resisted.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

@Monarch stop this right now, this is a warning.

 

[Newendigo]

Can we calm down please. As i said before, this is getting out of the hand.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Cal, can you please provide an example of Ghost Rider having soul hax on a 2-B level. If you do I will stop and concede that Hulk can win this.

Otherwise, Grudgeman, I am simply debating. Nothing I have said has been rude, offensive, or attacking anyone, and all my points have to the best of my knowledge correct, and if my replies have been long, it is because the there is a long list of points I am arguing against. You cannot warn or punish me for debating on a thread made for debating

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Err, when does a soul hax specifically have any sort of level? Its either you have a resistance to it, or not, simply

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Different soul hax have different levels of power, and different levels of resistance to it. Just because you can resist the soul hax of Rot Spinne doesn't mean you resist the soul hax of Methuselah or Reinhard Heydrich

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

That's bad logic, their are numerous street level characters in fiction that have resisted high level soul hax before

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Cal, can you please provide an example of Ghost Rider having soul hax on a 2-B level. If you do I will stop and concede that Hulk can win this.

Otherwise, Grudgeman, I am simply debating. Nothing I have said has been rude, offensive, or attacking anyone, and all my points have to the best of my knowledge correct, and if my replies have been long, it is because the there is a long list of points I am arguing against. You cannot warn or punish me for debating on a thread made for debating

First cal and the others have already told you that chara at that point the Sans fight isn't even 2-B.

Second ghost riders soul powers have rivaled the likes of Mephisto.(a being who even galactus has trouble dealing with, and galactus himself has no soul to be manipulated with.) and hulk himself in WWH has stared down and was willing to fight with Zarthos himself(the being who embodies ghost riders powers, who Doctor strange himself fears for his godly powers.)

Your arguement isn't the problem, you just continue to argue for points already spoken and talked about on both sides. The most you could do is basically counter recent points or provide actually evidence for your statements(for example where on earth did you get the idea sans could teleport the air around him or hulk to prevent the thunderclap.) you need to wait for new people to respond In order to continue debating, otherwise your just wasting your time ranting on why hulk isn the winner.

Plus your already too late to even continue arguing again it's 13:4, do you see how big of a gap that is, unless 6 more people vote for sans, the fight is basically over.

 

[KuuIchigo]

Hulk for reasons above.

 

[Newendigo]

@KuuIchigo.

The Hulk already won so a think that your vote cannot be counted.

 

[KuuIchigo]

It's not over until the grace period is (which is one day). But pretty much, yes.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Mephisto fighting Galactus who doesn't even have a soul, doesn't show Mephisto's soul manipulation, it shows his normal power. And During this fight, what was galactus's situation? Was he staring, moderatley fed, well-fed, did he have the ultimate nullifier?

Chara's stats during the fight with sans are 99/99. Correct me if I am wrong, but this does not change after they kill sans/become absolute, so Chara still has multiversal stats during their fight.

Sans has spatial manipulation that lets him teleport around his bones and gaster blasters. It really isn't some ridiulously stupid idea that he could teleport the air.

If hulk has fought with Zarthos, why is hulk not rated low 2-C or whatever Zarthos is via scaling to Dr Strange?

I am not "already too late". Votes with reasoning that have been debunked are not counted. Seeing as a lot of reasonings here are based on "Hulk resists sans's soul manipulation", if I debunk that, those votes are invalid. Or I could convince people to change their votes, seeing as Sans teleporting his soul attacks into Hulk's brain and one-shotting him is a lot faster than Hulk can clap, or destroy the earth or something.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Grudge

It was suggested that Zarathos-Rider was going to curbstomp WWH. Strange was worried because Zarathos got control in the first place, meaning Hulk could be the least of their worries. Though he ended up just ******* off so Hulk could go beat up on Dr. Strange and the others, since he viewed them as the truly guilty ones. People are seriously misreading that scene.

Regardless, Hulk should win, though IMO one of his biggest advantages is his overwhelmingly greater stamina and willingness to pretty much use AOE from the get-go.

 

[Sandman31]

They fought in Mephistos dimension and were evenly matched until Galactus starts eating the energy of Mephs dimension so Mephisto called it quits.

In Mephistos Dimension Mephisto=Galactus.Outside Galactus>Mephisto

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Even if his soul attacks let him one shot, and his mindset lets him use cheap shots and his strongest attacks and just just teleports hit attacks straight into hulk from the second the fight starts?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Monarch

I was under the assumption full-on bloodlust was not on in this fight? Since the OP does not mention this.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Yeah but if sans is actually fighting he's always bloodlusted