Sans vs Golden Frieza

[omegabronic]

even if TK don't work, i still vote incon

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

both had bodies, no permision from Yemma, no body and you just become a smoke thing

I never saw Yemma granting Old Kai a body, but here we are

Nah most of them are from Sans being able to kill him faster and Frieza not being able to dodge them since blasters are faster than both. No one voted just because of TK.

This is all ignoring the fact that the gap between San's speed and the blasters is 2 times at most, and considering he isn't firing at point blank range, Frieza should still be able to dodge

 

[omegabronic]

I never saw Yemma granting Old Kai a body, but here we are

we never saw, but we know he did since we saw souls without a grant body look like

This is all ignoring the fact that the gap between San's speed and the blasters is 2 times at most

faster than 2 times

, and considering he isn't firing at point blank range, Frieza should still be able to dodge

teleporting freeza into the blasts

 

[ShionAH]

This is all ignoring the fact that the gap between San's speed and the blasters is 2 times at most, and considering he isn't firing at point blank range, Frieza should still be able to dodge

He can but its not likely.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

we never saw, but we know he did since we saw souls without a grant body look like

Weren't these souls on the way to the check in station to be processed by Yemma?

faster than 2 times

The gap between Hypersonic's lowest end and highest end is 2 times

teleporting freeza into the blasts

Is that his first move though? Since if not he's gonna need to also do that too, and I didn't see Sans teleporting during that clip I saw

 

[ShionAH]

Is that his first move though? Since if not he's gonna need to also do that too, and I didn't see Sans teleporting during that clip I saw

After the first attack he starts teleporting after that its kinda randomized I guess

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

After the first attack he starts teleporting after that its kinda randomized I guess

So we can't even know what he'd do then? So after Frieza just dodges, he simply fires a death beams and the blast from it will kill Sans, or just simply flaring his ki and sending a kiai to Sans

 

[omegabronic]

Weren't these souls on the way to the check in station to be processed by Yemma?

yes, and the specific reason for goku not looking like them is because Yemma alowed him to have a body, his soul alone is like the others

The gap between Hypersonic's lowest end and highest end is 2 times

and sans reaction is hypersonic+ with blasters listed as higher than that

Is that his first move though? Since if not he's gonna need to also do that too, and I didn't see Sans teleporting during that clip I saw

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Sans seems to have a small window between teleporting and attacking, something that Frieza can use to his advantage

 

[omegabronic]

So we can't even know what he'd do then?

what?

So after Frieza just dodges, he simply fires a death beams and the blast from it will kill Sans

instinctive reactions would save sans from that

or just simply flaring his ki and sending a kiai to Sans

does freeza know kiai? and also again instinctive reactions

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

instinctive reactions would save sans from that

Again Aoe? No it wouldn't, especially if they fight in a close area. Besides, Frieza flaring his ki is enough to kill Sans like he did to his goons in RoF

does freeza know kiai? and also again instinctive reactions

Every ki user can do it. It's a simple ki strike

 

[Chariot190]

Instinctive reaction just means you react without thinking, it doesn't actually make the action performed, such as the dodge any faster.

 

[ShionAH]

So we can't even know what he'd do then? So after Frieza just dodges, he simply fires a death beams and the blast from it will kill Sans, or just simply flaring his ki and sending a kiai to Sans

No no he starts off that can probably kill Frieza then starts using danmaku and teleportation and other things

 

[omegabronic]

Sans seems to have a small window between teleporting and attacking, something that Frieza can use to his advantage

maybe, but he also has to worry about the blaster who are faster than him, gravity being changed by sans and all the other dozens projectiles being trow at him, i am not saying that freeza can't win, just trying to make sans advantages very clear

 

[ShionAH]

Instinctive reaction just means you react without thinking, it doesn't actually make the action performed, such as the dodge any faster.

It also helps you dodge stuff that are coming from behind or things you can’t see

 

[Chariot190]

does freeza know kiai? and also again instinctive reactions

Also yeah he did it against ssj Goku on namek, launching him through the ocean.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

No no he starts off that can probably kill Frieza then starts using danmaku and teleportation and other things

Which he can just dodge because he's at a distance and while Sans attack he doesn't do anything else until he finishes

 

[ShionAH]

Which he can just dodge

Which is not gonna be easy and he will probably fail at dodging all of that danmaku and die

because he's at a distance and while Sans attack he doesn't do anything else until he finishes

Thats turn based game mechanics he can attack and dodge at the same time but UT has a system

 

[omegabronic]

Instinctive reaction just means you react without thinking, it doesn't actually make the action performed, such as the dodge any faster.

i don't see how that correlates? i am just saying that freeza just firing a death beam would not mean that he can hit it on sans

 

[Chariot190]

i don't see how that correlates? i am just saying that freeza just firing a death beam would not mean that he can hit it on sans

Death beams can explode lad.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

i don't see how that correlates? i am just saying that freeza just firing a death beam would not mean that he can hit it on sans

You forget the part where it explodes. The blasts are explosive, and Frieza will certainly go for the kill and do it

 

[omegabronic]

Again Aoe? No it wouldn't, especially if they fight in a close area.

you were talking about the death beam, which is very small

Besides, Frieza flaring his ki is enough to kill Sans like he did to his goons in RoF

it is a wincon sure, but if he get hit too much he may not have a opportunity to do that

Every ki user can do it. It's a simple ki strike

every user can, but do all of them know how to?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

you were talking about the death beam, which is very small

You forget the part where it explodes. The blasts are explosive, and Frieza will certainly go for the kill and do it

 

[omegabronic]

Death beams can explode lad.

You forget the part where it explodes. The blasts are explosive, and Frieza will certainly go for the kill and do it

when using the death beam freeza usually aims at the target, not at the ground close to the target, but i guess he would figure it out that he has to do that eventually

you know this is getting nowhere, i will list both character's wincon and call it a day

 

[Chariot190]

you were talking about the death beam, which is very small

Friezas first death beam when going final exploded and killed Dande, and iirc his second missed Gohan and blew up an island.

every user can, but do all of them know how to?

Frieza literally uses it against Goku on namek so whether they all can doesn't matter, the person who matters knows how.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

when using the death beam freeza usually aims at the target, not at the ground close to the target, but i guess he would figure it out that he has to do that eventually

That doesn't relate to what I say. You continously ignore the point that death beams explode, such as here

 

[omegabronic]

freeza wincons: every attack can one shot sans, has AOE with ki explossions, might destroy the planet or nuke the area which would kill sans, can use invible ki blasts as well as damaku

sans wincons: every attack damages freeza's soul and poison it, huge damaku, higher reactions and instinctive reactions, an attack faster than both him and freeza(since speed is equal), can teleport him, freeza and his attacks enabling him to control the situation of the battle and hit freeza

i think that this is everything

 

[ShionAH]

I am never joining a sans match again

 

[ShionAH]

freeza wincons: every attack can one shot sans, has AOE with ki explossions, might destroy the planet or nuke the area which would kill sans, can use invible ki blasts as well as damaku

sans wincons: every attack damages freeza's soul and poison it, huge damaku, higher reactions and instinctive reactions, an attack faster than both him and freeza(since speed is equal), can teleport him, freeza and his attacks enabling him to control the situation of the battle and hit freeza

i think that this is everything

Invisible attacks would not work since sans was able to dodge while sleeping

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Invisible attacks would not work since sans was able to dodge while sleeping

He can't dodge aoe blasts though, which getting hit once means he dies

 

[omegabronic]

That doesn't relate to what I say. You continously ignore the point that death beams explode, such as here

yeah, but he is aiming at sans, he would need to aim at the ground near sans, but anyway i already agreed to it


btw i am out, bye

 

[ShionAH]

Yeah this is enough both have wincons and sans wins Ig, lets wait for the op

 

[ShionAH]

Fight takes place in Last Corridor

Change the distance

 

[Axl233]

yeah, but he is aiming at sans, he would need to aim at the ground near sans, but anyway i already agreed to it


btw i am out, bye

Pretty sure that one death beam exploding in the background is enough to nuke Asgore's intire castle that they are in.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Pretty sure that one death beam exploding in the background is enough to nuke Asgore's intire castle that they are in.

Yup, considering that's exactly what he did to King Vegeta's castle even in his first form

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

yeah, but he is aiming at sans, he would need to aim at the ground near sans, but anyway i already agreed to it

So? Even if it misses, the aoe damage would reach Sans and kills him. Frieza also aimed directly at the Saiyans when he blasted King Vegeta's castle away, and landed the hit on Dende as the blast exploded on him

 

[Greatsage13th]

this is golden frieza so yes it is in character for him to do as i described

Pretty sure he decides to blow up the planet when he gets rekt very badly. Like that time Toppo beat the crap out of Frieza ot that time he was about to doe to Vegeta.

 

[Greatsage13th]

So? Even if it misses, the aoe damage would reach Sans and kills him. Frieza also aimed directly at the Saiyans when he blasted King Vegeta's castle away, and landed the hit on Dende as the blast exploded on him

That was in the past. Currently his death beams just pierced through objects without exploding. Like when it just shot through that bat thing during the tournament of power.

 

[Chariot190]

It's selective. Even in super, he had explosive death beams, like when he arrived on earth and nuked that city. They can pierce, they can explode, or they can even do both simultaneously.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

That was in the past. Currently his death beams just pierced through objects without exploding. Like when it just shot through that bat thing during the tournament of power.

Because he can't kill during the Tournament of Power, the rules were very clear and disobeying would cause him to be erased. Not a particularly good argument if you ask me. Also, he can do this and just kill him by merely powering up

Also, here's something that directly disproves your claim: