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Sans vs Golden Frieza

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TauanVictor said:
So, since the OP isn't counting the votes, I decided to count and for now it's Sans 11 - 8 Golden Freeza.

Sans: @TheKillerYT, @FantaRin_The_First, @omegabronic, @Adem_Warlock69, @Artorimachi_Meteoraft, @Maverick_Zero_X, @LeoEpicGamer8910, @Reploidnoridomix, @Nierre, @GlaceonGamez471, @Jackythejack
Frieza: @TheGatememer, @Dragonite007, @TartaChocholate, @ImmortalDread, @CryoTheMayo, @TauanVictor, @Skeletonslayer56, @Cimafranca133
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I am not sure if GF has 8 votes did you count right? You only count FRAs if you know
 
Only people who voted frieza are: CryoTheMayo, TauanVictor, ImmortalDread, Skeletonslayer56, Cimafranca133
 
Anyways this can be requested in a few hours when grace is over thanks everyone again


Sans: TheKillerYT, omegabronic, Adem_Warlock69, Artorimachi_Meteoraft, Maverick_Zero_X, LeoEpicGamer8910, Reploidnoridomix, Nierre, GlaceonGamez471, Jackythejack,Harith0cell,GreatSage13th, Arceus0x (14)
Golden F: CryoTheMayo, TauanVictor, ImmortalDread, Skeletonslayer56, Cimafranca133, Gilad_Hyperstar (6)
 
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TauanVictor said:
None of them claimed it was a stomp, they just agreed that Freeza had a more viable wincon.
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No. They were just talking about how sans durability neg would work on freeza but they were thinking it was a stomp. After that a ton and I mean a TON of arguments came. You literally counted someone who had 1 message which was "He says ohohoh and shoots his blast"
 
The arguments for Frieza makes more sense to me so Frieza FRA

Especially since it wasn't really explained how verse equalization work regarding Sans' hax and how it'd affect non Undertale characters
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
The arguments for Frieza makes more sense to me so Frieza FRA

Especially since it wasn't really explained how verse equalization work regarding Sans' hax and how it'd affect non Undertale characters
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I don't see what this is supposed to be, frieza is gonna be LOVE 20 and have 90 HP? Sans can still kill him pretty fast
 
TheKillerYT said:
I don't see what this is supposed to be, frieza is gonna be LOVE 20 and have 90 HP? Sans can still kill him pretty fast
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I really don't understand what you mean. That doesn't offer an explaination at all of how Sans' hax interact with non UT characters, or how fast Sans can kill Frieza. "Pretty fast" is very vauge, especially since if Frieza fires one death beam he can kill sans instantly
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
I really don't understand what you mean. That doesn't offer an explaination at all of how Sans' hax interact with non UT characters, or how fast Sans can kill Frieza. "Pretty fast" is very vauge, especially since if Frieza fires one death beam he can kill sans instantly
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I don't understand what you guys want this equalization to be? You are forgetting since speed is equal sans can dodge the beams or he can just you know attack frieza before he attacks since if frieza instead of focusing on dodging tries to hit sans will get hit and most likely die. Gaster blasters are also gonna be extremely hard for him to dodge. Counted anyway
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
I really don't understand what you mean. That doesn't offer an explaination at all of how Sans' hax interact with non UT characters, or how fast Sans can kill Frieza. "Pretty fast" is very vauge, especially since if Frieza fires one death beam he can kill sans instantly
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basically, he attacks the soul and then poison it with KR, the only reason frisk can survive so long is because they resist soul manipulation attacks, for someone that doesn't they would logically endure a lot less than what frisk can, and frisk durability gets negated, as in, no matter how much they strenght their soul(via love equipment etc) sans will ignore and give the same amount of damage while also poisoning the soul, killing them pretty fast in the game, therefore for someone with no resistance, we can assume that they would die fast and have their soul destroyed, with posibly not even feeling the attacks damage since, on contrary to frisk, they don't tank soul attacks as physical damage

i think i explained pretty good, and with all of this we also have sans with ways to confuse freeza by constantly teleporting him, the attacks and freeza himself in to multiple locations, while also being able to pin freeza on the ground by controlling his soul telekinetically and manipulating gravity for freeza to have a hard time moving around, along with every single attack having the effect listed above

basically this is sans wincon
 
TheKillerYT said:
I don't understand what you guys want this equalization to be? You are forgetting since speed is equal sans can dodge the beams or he can just you know attack frieza before he attacks since if frieza instead of focusing on dodging tries to hit sans will get hit and most likely die. Gaster blasters are also gonna be extremely hard for him to dodge. Counted anyway
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According to speed equalization page:

"The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc."

That means that the combat speed of Sans is equalized to that of Frieza. Not their movement speed. And since according to you, Sans' combat and reaction speed is much faster than movement speed, he's going to be slower in comparison to Frieza whose combat speed is equal to his travel speed

That means Frieza can easily dodge Sans' attacks (as for Danmaku, Vegeta tried that against Frieza on Namek and it didn't end well. For Vegeta)

So what stops Frieza for firing a death beam straight to Sans without him being able to dodge due to his lower movement speed?
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
According to speed equalization page:

"The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc."

That means that the combat speed of Sans is equalized to that of Frieza. Not their movement speed. And since according to you, Sans' combat and reaction speed is much faster than movement speed, he's going to be slower in comparison to Frieza whose combat speed is equal to his travel speed

That means Frieza can easily dodge Sans' attacks (as for Danmaku, Vegeta tried that against Frieza on Namek and it didn't end well. For Vegeta)
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Friezas speed will be equalized to sans speed so gaster blasters will be faster than both of them since they are equal, I don't understand what you are saying? So now for some reason Friezas every speed expect for travel speed is gonna stay the same? What are you even talking about
 
TheKillerYT said:
Friezas speed will be equalized to sans speed so gaster blasters will be faster than both of them since they are equal
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Does he start with these? Since if not then why are you arguing he uses them in the first place. Also, if these blasters are Sans' techniques, wouldn't the equalization be to their speed anyways? No reason why to separate the speed values
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Does he start with these? Since if not then why are you arguing he uses them in the first place.
Also, if these blasters are Sans' techniques, wouldn't the equalization be to their speed anyways? No reason why the separation
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1- Its literally his first move where he uses about 10 of them some larger some smaller but faster just spamming it
2- The blasters faster than sans himself so no the blasters is gonna stay the same and be faster than both of them
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Does he start with these? Since if not then why are you arguing he uses them in the first place. Also, if these blasters are Sans' techniques, wouldn't the equalization be to their speed anyways? No reason why to separate the speed values
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This is his first attack if you're curious
Sans_first_attack.webp

Both Sans' Gaster Blasters and his reaction speed are faster than his combat speed (At least Hypersonic vs. Hypersonic)
 
Alright then. Frieza was still able to react to attacks faster than him such as Dyspo's lightspeed mode. Which increases Dyspo's speed by much more than that (since the gap between Hypersonic and Hypersonic+ is 2 times even for baseline Hypersonic, the gap isn't massive, meaning it outspeeds Frieza but won't blitz)

Frieza can simply dodge those since he dealt with people faster than him. And then fire a death beam that Sans can't evade due to lack of movement speed
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
According to speed equalization page:

"The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc."
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sans combat speed is hypersonic, his reactions are higher than that, and his blasters are higher as well
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Alright then. Frieza was still able to react to attacks faster than him such as Dyspo's lightspeed mode. Which increases Dyspo's speed by much more than that (since the gap between Hypersonic and Hypersonic+ is 2 times even for baseline Hypersonic, the gap isn't massive, meaning it outspeeds Frieza but won't blitz)

Frieza can simply dodge those since he dealt with people faster than him. And then fire a death beam that Sans can't evade due to lack of movement speed
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the problem is that sans can just teleport freeza himself into the attacks, while also pining him on the ground and manipulating gravity on freeza, making his mobile options to dodge limited
 
omegabronic said:
the problem is that sans can just teleport freeza himself into the attacks, while also pining him on the ground and manipulating gravity on freeza, making his mobile options to dodge limited
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All Frieza has to do is fire one attack. He only need to dodge a single attack before then and with ki sensing he would be able to sense it and charge his attacks too. Frieza's attacks can also home on Sans and explosive aoe from his attacks will kill Sans, or even just a simple kiai
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
All Frieza has to do is fire one attack. He only need to dodge a single attack before then and with ki sensing he would be able to sense it and charge his attacks too. Frieza's attacks can also home on Sans and explosive aoe from his attacks will kill Sans, or even just a simple kiai
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Fire one attack that he starts with that sans can dodge because of his reaction speed. Sans would literally kill him if he tries to use other attacks instead of dodging because his soul is not resistant. Basically Frieza can one shot sans but needs atleast some time to do it since sans can dodge his first attacks sans just needs to hit him like 2-3 times to kill him
 
TheKillerYT said:
Fire one attack that he starts with that sans can dodge because of his reaction speed. Sans would literally kill him if he tries to use other attacks instead of dodging because his soul is not resistant. Basically Frieza can one shot sans but needs atleast some time to do it since sans can dodge his first attacks sans just needs to hit him like 2-3 times to kill him
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You forget about Aoe blast. Frieza's ki blasts are explosive and were shown to do it many times. All he needs to do is fire one attack, and Sans wouldn't be able to dodge or escape. Especially since Frieza goes for the kill
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
You forget about Aoe blast. Frieza's ki blasts are explosive and were shown to do it many times. All he needs to do is fire one attack, and Sans wouldn't be able to dodge or escape. Especially since Frieza goes for the kill
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Aoe blast that sans can teleport away from because of his reactions. He is not dumb he won't try just watch the explosion happen anyways I counted your vote.
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
All Frieza has to do is fire one attack. He only need to dodge a single attack before then and with ki sensing he would be able to sense it and charge his attacks too. Frieza's attacks can also home on Sans and explosive aoe from his attacks will kill Sans, or even just a simple kiai
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sans can just teleport the said attack away, or teleport away and imeadiatly after teleport freeza while pining him on the ground and lauching dozens of the attacks at him, sans is just more versatile in movement and desorientation
 
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