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Goofy ass skeleton beats Low 2-CGoofy goober ahh thread.
I will regret this soon for voting sans
Why would sans just teleport behind him? Just because he knows where attacks will be doesn’t mean he can dodge them. Frisk knew what would happen but couldn’t dodge it, you also forget gaster blasters are faster than both of them right now.Except for the fact that Freeza can sense his energy move instantly? As in, if Sans appears behind him Freeza can pretty much instantly respond without even looking.
I said a few seconds for us humans lmao its probably a smaller than seconds in this debateA few seconds is an eternity if we're going by DB standards. A few seconds in the ToP is easily a few minutes of continual fighting and talking in real time.
Gaster blasters are faster than both of them. Telekinesis alsoAnd why can't Freeza dodge them? Speed is equalised, Freeza can sense energy which should also include detecting Sans' attacks no matter what direction they come from. And Sans has no giant AoE explosions covering the screen, just a lot of beam spam. You are also assuming Freeza won't get enraged by being forced down while blasted and won't just power up his aura to try and kill Sans.
He dodged an attack while sleeping and he will teleport if he can’t just slide to the rightWhen does Sans instinctively teleport out of attacks?
Like the other person said sans is much different than other DB characersAgain, why would he be surprised? He has seen endless things by this point in his career. He has also obviously encountered undetectable or weak kis (Android 17, would have seen the Trio De Dangers, Jiren who has extreme energy control). He's well aware people like that exist. I also don't really think he will care about a skeleton when he's been to Hell and tormented by faeries and walking talking plush toys.
One shotting and LS or gravity manip has nothing to do with it? I already told you why sans kills him fastYou also keep saying Sans will 'nearly one shot' Freeza, but why? Are you assuming Freeza can't react at all? If you think the gravity manipulation means anything I think you're forgetting the entire ToP where Freeza was forced to fight without access to flight and had his gravity manipulated by the Grand Priest. He knows those abilities exist. Then there is also the part where Sans and Freeza both have unknown LS, so how exactly are we factoring that into Freeza enduring gravity manipulation? We don't even have a defined limit for him.
We are not saying he is gonna stand there we are saying he can’t dodge sans danmaku while getting thrown around and gravity manipped and teleported and you saying Freeza will attack while dodging all of thatBecause this entire argument is built on Freeza standing still while drooling. Even though Freeza has actively dodged fodder in the past. I also don't know why you think Freeza wouldn't even attempt telekinesis even though he tried it on GoD Toppo to paralyse him and throw rocks at him, or when he smashed Jiren with rocks via telekinesis while being relentlessly attacked. It's in character for him to use Telekinesis on stronger opponents.
We can’t measure that its a pixel game. Sans will just kill him quickly and if freeza focuses o hitting sans instead of dodging then he will die even fasterYou keep saying 'extremely fast'. Do you have a measurement for that? How many times do you think Freeza can shoot his Death Beam in that timeframe? How many times do you think Sans can dodge city-level explosions in that timeframe?
Just fast lol he will die pretty fast compared to frisk not one shot but fastAnd I am questioning what 'extremely fast' means. What is the metric here? What do we measure how long Freeza survives? How much HP does Freeza have?
20 LOVE is max lol so nopeInsane LOVE? Freeza has blown up entire worlds unprovoked. He has slaughtered countless innocent lives. Even if we only counted Planet Vegeta, how many innocent infants do you think he killed? I'd wager a hell of a lot more than Frisk and Chara ever have. It also doesn't 'break every UT match ever', it just calls into question how character alignment should factor in to verse equalisation with SOUL's scaling on LOVE.
Because you keep asking me the stuff you should talk in CRTsWhy are you getting frustrated? This is really basic information to get out of the way for the match to even function. It's a part of SBAs, we have to argue how the verses equalise to rationalise how this even goes down. This is a case-by-case basis deal.
Because you are going out of this fight to talking if undertale matches need LOVE added to them or KARMASince when did this require making CRTs? We're arguing verse equalisation in the case of DB vs UT right here to settle how it logically works. That's how every single argument I've ever been in on this website has worked. One party raises a case on how it equalises, the other raises a different interpretation. That's often how matches are even decided, rationalising the equalisation of verses.
LOVE is weird since it seemed to work on undertale humans only so we can’t say that it would work on other humans in fiction. Humans in UT are universal at base (lol). Sans literally ignores that, the whole point of sans fight is that he ignores all your durability and healthSeriously, engage with me here. Does LOVE function on Magic or Determination or anything else? Or is it just bodycount? Is there any reason other verses wouldn't be allowed this as an argument? The entire reason equalisation even works is so abilities using similar systems across verses can work against eachother. So if two verses have souls and one verse states "We use soul hax to kill others. The more people you have killed, the harder it is to be killed by this soul hax." we would have to rationalise whether or not this is from a special ability or if it should apply to any character with a high kill count fighting a character from that verse.
Oh yeah undertale is hard to debate anyways I will maybe respond laterI'm leaving it at that. I feel like we're going in circles now and I gotta go offline anyways. Keeping my vote to Freeza. Was nice debating with you.
Yepbruh idk this thread would get this big....
Belive me. It works, he just beat 4-A thorima just put Sans against characters who are objectively much stronger than him who just happen to not resist soul manipulation or have no counters
All of that is nonsense. I never said Sans would 'just' teleport behind him. You also ignore the part where most of Sans' attacks are extremely linear besides the long corridor segment. You are out of your mind if you think Freeza couldn't react to any of that. Along with that, Freeza has reacted to people dozens of times faster than him. What makes you think he can't dodge straight lasers on reaction?
You literally did but okay, You also forget that those attacks are obviously not fully shown thats like saying sans can use his get dunked on to make a undodgeable attack. Freeza cannot react to it because the telekinesis, teleportation of attacks and danmaku that can basically one shot him is too much for him too handle and you are saying he can dodge all of those and attack sans
And Freeza has consistently reacted to people faster than him. Particularly Dyspo who has linear movements just like the lasers from the Gaster Blasters. Ki attacks also scale above the user and are logically faster than Sans.
Since speed is equalized he goes down to sans speed so no he cannot react or escape them since they are faster, multiple, big hitbox that can also be abused with bones
That's headcanon. He has never dodged an attack by teleporting.
Supergenius should be able to think that? He was fighting a knife...a knife
No he isn't.
Yeap he is
Actually, you haven't. Freeza also has unknown LS and logically your LS correlates with the gravity you can withstand. Meaning there is no context for how effective Gravity Manipulation is here. You also haven't made any compelling arguments for Sans 'kills him fast' . Seriously, getting brushed by KR isn't going to kill Freeza and you are all assuming Freeza somehow can't dodge and react to Sans' attacks on the premise of teleportation (something Sans rarely uses early into the fight) and Gaster Blasters being faster (when Freeza has reacted to faster attacks and opponents and his own attacks are faster than Sans as well)
Sans gravity manipulatin effects the soul thats why only the soul is blue so basically when your soul goes down your body goes with it. Sans literally kills frisk who has crazy resistance and 90 HP extremely fast by draining his HP, you are forgetting after freeza does all of that sans will just...send more! Gaster blasters faster than both and speed is equal
Oh so you have zero argument for the timeframe Sans can kill Freeza. You just arbitrarily assume Freeza will get razed to death despite his decades of experience, mental training, ki sensing and ability to fight opponents much faster than him.
Bro wants me to calculate undertale somehow . It just assumed that way and freeza probably has a higher reaction speed if he can do those but now he is equalized with sans so no he can't react to GB.
With the limited number of kills. Chara pretty clearly wants to pursue more LV in the ending of the Genocide route, meaning it can actually go beyond that.
LV 20 is limit. Beyond that is fanon.
This isn't CRT stuff. It's just basic verse equalisation. I'm inquiring about the logic of that verse so we can equalise with the other verse so the match makes sense. That's how battleboarding works. That's how the rules work. Adding in notes to verse pages and whatnot only occur in special circumstances, otherwise it's just case-by-case arguments. If this wasn't raised in past UT matches then that just means the arguments in past UT matches were poor quality and didn't equalise the verses properly.
Because you can't undertale is much different than other verses so people with knowledge more than both of us just agreed to some stuff that make sense like sans killing fast but not insant (It was insant back then). You can downgrade sans DoT with a CRT if you want thats what I am saying
I'm asking basic information about how basic mechanics in UT's power system functions. How am I going 'out of this fight' to ask how one character's abilities will work under verse equalisation?
Love and Karma are not sans abilitys. Karma is literally a fanon and Love is a thing on undertale that cannot be used in debates
That doesn't really answer the question. Why does LOVE work against UT Humans? Well, maybe because it enhances your SOUL-based damage? Your AT increases with LV doesn't it? So the basic conclusion is that more LV = more power. Freeza obviously can't use LV to attack souls and whatnot since he lacks Soul Manipulation but he should still be harder to kill inherently since UT Monsters have a harder time killing high LV opponents (due to their passively higher hit points).
LOVE is special to UT Humans since its in their verse. It doesn't enchance SOUL-based damage the intent to kill does. You are right about those EXPECT for the fact that it will be harder for sans to kill him since if you didn't know the entire genocide route frisk literally deletes every monster with their LOVE and barely take any damage expect for Undyen but thats a whole another story, Sans still beat the shit out of them without problem since he ignores the harder to kill rule...he breaks the rules.
Skill issue (They voted friza)the fact that the first half of this thread was someone just not undertanding how dura neg works is very funny
1 million year ban.Ok sorry husband. Seems not NLF if HDE already bypass it.
Goku is Class K in Commander red saga, why Goku becomes unknown is beyond comprehesion, but there is no reason to say "well, Goku is WEAKER than his 13 years youngself"... Funny enough, yes, it would. Unknown LS makes it 100% possible for Sans' TS/Gravity Manip to grab and throw Frieza around.
Sans uses telekinesis on the soul anywayWait, I didn't know. Somebody has to fix that.
Half of the battles where someone resist his TK for having more LS should go then, but I am not interested, I just read that and I have to interferedSans uses telekinesis on the soul anyway
Okay bye byeHalf of the battles where someone resist his TK for having more LS should go then, but I am not interested, I just read that and I have to interfered
Do you know if this scales to any other characters with unknown LS?And Frieza can restrain Goku, both in super and in Z, Freezer is class K by simple logic, if the profiles does not reflect this is not our problem, there is literally no reason why Goku should lose his lifting strenght rating, he should gain "at least class K"