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I understand this in an ap sense
But we're talking about dura, why would whitebeard's durability scale to the ap of his clash with shanks?
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Sanji vs Oldbeard
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But we're talking about dura, why would whitebeard's durability scale to the ap of his clash with shanks?
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Ever hear of Newton's third law?
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Newton's third law would only be applicable to the force that Whitebeard is exerting while swinging his naginata
Not to the haki coating the blade or the Haoshoku infusion he is using in the attack.
DaMonkeMan
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I meant speed.
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napoleon was lit on fire which means he was in his cognac state
also the statement i mentioned but i dont have it
oh, i misread
i dont think wb scales to shanks' haki in dura
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That's just the thing though, those are amplifying the force going back into oldfuck without Shank's own ACoC adding to it and the shockwaves coming off of that clash
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oh lol mb
It seems we are in a tricky situation since we cannot conclusively prove that Whitebeard scales above Akainu based solely on Shank's feat
As It should be noted that Shanks intercepted an injured and off-guard Akainu by utilizing his attack speed and movement speed.
One of the factors that we cannot conclusively prove Whitebeard scales to is movement speed. Moreover, even if we assume that he scales to it, it's important to note that Akainu was injured and off-guard when Shanks intercepted him.
Regarding Marco scaling slightly above Sanji's Ifrit Jambe, is there any further explanation or elaboration on that?
DaMonkeMan
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iirc, ragdolling Zoan and Base Queen and keeping up with the Admirals.
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And this is enough to scale him above sanji in terms of speed?
I thought you said that what you presented earlier is a speed scale
Dont you think your forgetting something?
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But you have yet to prove that Coa and Acoc increases the force behind the attack and not simply the ap
So far I have nothing to suggest that whitebeard would scale to the haki behind the attack.
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In other words physics is beyond you. Attack Potency is the is force behind an attack.
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I'm pretty sure Marco keeping up with the fastest Admiral ( and the others ofc ) is grounds for him scaling above Sanji, ngl.
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No it isn't because Sanji has direct comparisons in speed to Marco and he's clearly faster.
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What manga are you reading boy?
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No, those two things should not be confused with each other. Merely because haki can increase the attack power of the strike does not necessarily mean that the physical force behind the attack has been amplified as well. If it can be demonstrated that this is the case, then I would be willing to concede the point. However, simply asserting that an increase in attack power equates to an increase in physical force would not be sufficient evidence to convince me.
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Ok but why are you ignoring sanji's obvious scaling above marco via blitzing queen's perception? Do you not see that feat as valid or are you simply ducking it so you wont have to concede the point?
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The manga where Queen can perceive Hybrid Marco's speed but can't see Base Sanji's?
DaMonkeMan
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Marco simply scales to faster characters.
Sanji blitzing one character doesn't mean he can blitz another.
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That's Sickbeard, this is pre-marineford Oldbeard
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You are once again overlooking a clear flaw in your argument.
If Sanji's feats demonstrate that he has surpassed Marco in terms of speed, it would logically follow that the characters Marco has fought are not actually faster than Sanji.
This is objective powerscaling
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I guess Sanji doesn't scale in Durability to Ifrit jambe in any way because he's using haki to help do it
Nope, can't scale.
I guess if I Shattered a mountain with haki i wouldn't actually scale to that feat in durability becuase reasons.
Admit your biased to Sanji or honestly dont know what swinging something and clashing with someone else(minus ACoC shockwaves) requires you to be able to take the brunt of the hit yourself. You're trying to say that an added force behind the attack means it can't scale to the characters' Durability, which can be turned AGAINST your arguments in a very big way with the Ifrit Jambe example.
DaMonkeMan
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I'm pretty sure both blitzed Queen so I'm not entirely sure what makes Sanji faster.
Also, Occam's Razor.
It's easier to say/prove that Marco is faster due to scaling to characters like Kizaru and Big Mom ( who also beat the shit out of Zoan Queen before he could do anything ) than it is to say Sanji is faster because of one feat against Queen ( who scales below the characters Marco scales to anyway ).
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Sanji may not be able to scale to the heat damage caused by the attack
Edit: Upon further thought he would actually scale to the heat damage because of his natural heat resistance, but as I said already he can only scale this high while using CoA not naturally
But he would be able to scale to the blunt force generated by it. (Broke Queen's tooth and send him flying off the island).
However, Sanji's durability would only be able to scale in this manner while using CoA, as ifrit jambe is a mixture of fire + strength + haki
I do not possess any bias while power scaling, contrary to your belief. I may have bias when selecting the characters I wish to scale, but it is nonexistent in the scaling of those characters.
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I am unsure whether you are being disingenuous or have not read the messages that Kachon and I have been exchanging.
If you are capable of perceiving character A but unable to perceive character B, it logically follows that regardless of whether or not you can keep up with or combat character A, character B is faster.
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By your logic you can't scale that way though, haki is added force, is it Not? Admit your wrong.
DaMonkeMan
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I'm not even sure who decided Queen scales to Marco in the first place, even if he could perceive the attacks he still got ****** up before he could do anything.
Like, even Luffy "perceived" Kizaru's kick coming at him in Marineford, yet we never scaled him to Kizaru for it.
Like, even Luffy "perceived" Kizaru's kick coming at him in Marineford, yet we never scaled him to Kizaru for it.
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Firstly, I will not be pressured to admit that I am wrong about something that I do not believe to be incorrect. If you wish for me to concede, you can do so by engaging in a discussion with me.
Second, I can consistently scale in this manner, and my reasoning is logical and coherent.
You do not understand my reasoning hence why you are calling it inconsistent
I did not state or imply in my previous message that Haki increases the force of the attack. Rather, I mentioned that Sanji's CoA allows him to endure the heat and blunt force generated by the attack. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that with CoA activated, Sanji would scale to these values.
Why do you think I have been highlighting "with coa activated" for the past 5 messages?
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Objectively impossible.
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There are several distinct factors of speed that you are attempting to conflate.
These factors include reaction speed, attack speed, combat speed, perception speed, and mental speed.
Perception speed is the rate at which one can perceive an attack approaching. The fact that Queen can perceive Marco's assault, despite not scaling in other speed categories, implies that any individual capable of perception blitzing Queen is faster than Marco.
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You are correct, I may have used some hyperbole in my previous statement.
What I intended to convey is that I make a conscious effort to avoid any bias while power scaling. I pay close attention to the feats presented and am willing to acknowledge my errors when proven wrong.
