Vietthai96
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So what is her actual first move???
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Sakuya Night vs Sun Goku
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Basically abusing her time stop and knife spam
Tho the knife spam danmaku can be dodged due of Ultra Instinct naturr
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Also there is a chance she will likely went to EE as well
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Her Last Word, Deflation World.
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Hello?
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So its not six layered resistance?
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No, only third layered by now.
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So literally nothing changes from the last match. Goku slaps so we can abandon this.
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Guess it's back to this question since Goku time stop resistance is confirmed to be 3 layered:
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Not before my question about Sakuya time stop being answered but if it isn't impressive then i agree
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She starts off with Deflation World, it's different from the last thread.
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She can't get pass through Goku's layered resistance.
TheGreatJedi13
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The deflation word doesn't just time stop. it causes knives from past present and future to appear which can also make it appear inside her enemy which is also durability negation. even if Goku resist time stop. Knives appearing from the past and future would still happen
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And Goku won't move in a space where every time period i.e past present future is compressed.
Vietthai96
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What the hell is this vague description, can you explain more detail??
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Goku's ultra instinct can dodge them and he can predict where they'll appear if they spawn directly on him and then Goku's durability is so high that the difference is practically infinite so even his internal organs are like steel.
Goku should resist all time manipulation abilities by default via this.
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I hope you are joking. That's one of the biggest NLF I've ver seen. Saying that Goku has resistance to ALL time based abilities, when he has only shown to resist Time stop is....,bruh.
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How is that a nlf? They say time abilities don't work in general, so he should get 1 layer resistance to time manipulation.
Vietthai96
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No that not, that NLF, having resistance to Time Stop only give you another resistance to Time Slow because Time Stop is Slow time down to 0. There is also many other kind of time manip like reverse time, accelerate time. Goku have no feat resisting those kind of abilities and Vados statement is kinda half-hyperbole
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Why though? It's straight up stated their power is greater than time itself meaning time abilities don't work, and this is said directly after jiren resists hit's time abilities. It's hyperbole if you want to take it as meaning he's 5D or something then yeah but a resistance to time manipulation is totally okay.
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The is also time that transcend over time, so your point?????. Many character who is HDE or BDE, transcend time even as a concept still doesn't have resistance to time manip
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Nah mate what is YOUR point? I just propesed a resistance to time manipulation, you're saying that there is time manipulation that is stronger than time manipulation but I didn't claim Jiren can resist that too. A HDE character resist time mainulation by default.
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No, without showing resistance to other applications of time manip, we can't take that statement for granted.
We need actual feats of him resisting more time abilities.
Vietthai96
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HDE doesn't resist time by default
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So statements aren't legit anymore or what?
So a 5D or 6D character gets clapped by 4D time manipulation wtf?
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Not in this case, to sum up, DBS is a show with a shitload of plotholes and inconsistencies. Also, Goku prolly doesn't resist Whis time reversal.
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Vietthai96
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they doesn't resist them by default, the reason they can't be affect is because the other hax either have no potency or range to affect
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Why does DBS being a show with inconsistency mean that I can't give a character a resistance via a direct statement? Yeah you can't prove that, and even if he couldn't, Whis' time manipulation would just be above baseline.
Bruh. "So they don't resist them by default, but HDE characters resist them by default" is what you just said. HDE characters resist hax below them in dimensionality by default bro.
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And can you prove that Goku resists EVERY time realeated ability, with the lack actual feats?, Yeah, you can't prove that.......,Still, that's how it is. If Goku and co haven't been shown resisting ALL kinds of time manip, then we can't assume that they can. Much less with a vague statement as Vado's.
Also, the writers just don't know anything about layered resistances and stuff, so that's likely a contradiction.
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Vados straight up says time doesn't reach their level of strength directly after we see Jiren no sell a time manipulation attack, so it must not apply to just time stop. Whis overpowering Goku's resistance isn't a contradiction because we know layered resistances already exist in dragon ball for time manipulation.
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Again, No. If no other Time Haxxes have been shown to be resisted, then we can't just assume that they would, that's a huge speculation.
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I don't see any speculation needed, it's literally the most valid interpretation for Vados' statement. Unless of course you think Jiren is 5D.
Vietthai96
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They actually doesn't resist, it just the hax itself don't have enough "properties" to affect them. For example, 1 bullet can kill you, but you are too far for the maximum range the bullet can travel, thus it can't reach you to affect you, does that count as you have resistance to that bullet, no
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Nah, that's just size, you literally can't affect HDE characters with lower dimensional hax, you need the hax to also be the same dimensionality.
Vietthai96
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Again that the thing, they doesn't resist the hax, it is the hax that have problem
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Nah bullshit. For example take mind hax, 3D mind hax doesn't work on 4D entities that don't resist mind hax at all simply because they are 4D.
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That isn't resistance, it is because the 4-D characters mind is simply > infinite times bigger than the 3-D mind hax can effect because that is how dimensionality works. It is just a technical resistance but in actuality is just lack of dimensionality which is similar to a lack of range rather than resistance.
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How will Sakuya perform delation world if Goku will just instinctively react on his own and move faster than her thoughts?
are we really going to argue hax semantics in a situation like this?
are we really going to argue hax semantics in a situation like this?
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